Thanks to a FB friend for posting this link originally.
~ by Servetus on June 10, 2016.
Posted in Richard Armitage Tags: Adrian Schiller, Brexit
One of the best texts I read about this whole discussion. Sometimes I read the articles and thought “What do you want?” (Both sides) I never read or heard in the TV-Debates reall arguments for “that’s why you should vot for in/out”- And I am, as a german, tired of this Nazi-stuff.
Sarah said this on June 10, 2016 at 6:06 pm | Reply
I think he really gets why the EU should be important to the average person (as opposed to someone who is primarily focused on trade agreements). The whole “Germany / France are now friends” thing is huge. To me, it’s like a lot of people who comment on this have forgotten the entire bloody history of the twentieth century (or else think that it is “all in the past” now).
Servetus said this on June 10, 2016 at 6:10 pm | Reply
Yes. I remember reading an article where a british Journalist describe this Situation as “Britain has an identity crisis” in many ways thats something we all have – I think when the Krim crisis started and there was this change for many People which felt like back at cold ware times. And since then People searching for “easy answers” ´and saying “those are our Problem, we need to get rid of it”, is the easiest thing.
Sarah said this on June 10, 2016 at 6:23 pm | Reply
My thoughts exactly and so so well expressed! i agree with and support every single word he wrote. And these are the thoughts, principles, ideas and feelings which should have been at the core of the debate and were sorely missing. I still hope it’s not too late to resurface them but sadly none of the prominent political voices think and feels this way. That’s what disappoints me about this amazingly creative, dynamic, open country – that it currently has the most backward and narrow minded political class in decades😦 I can feel my own anxiety level rising every time i listen to a debate. Fingers crossed…
Hariclea said this on June 10, 2016 at 8:27 pm | Reply
I feel that way about the US, too — why are these people governing us when everything in our demographics says they should not be able to get into office? The answer is — voter apathy.
Servetus said this on June 10, 2016 at 9:45 pm | Reply
Brilliant. He just nails it and writes so beautifully, too!
Babette said this on June 10, 2016 at 9:24 pm | Reply
Even independently of whether I agree with him, he writes really effectively.
Servetus said this on June 10, 2016 at 9:43 pm | Reply
I noticed that the few more deeply thought out opinions expressed came from actors and artists. As an aside, this is why i also enjoy a lot of interview with actors here, they are extremely articulate and express their ideas in very clear and interesting ways
Hariclea said this on June 11, 2016 at 12:42 pm | Reply
Very well said. It is quite interesting these days driving through parts of South London where people put up big banners “Vote Leave” in their front yards.
I think Adrian is spot on.
Vanguard said this on June 10, 2016 at 10:07 pm | Reply
he had a followup, here: https://www.facebook.com/adrian.schiller.5/posts/10154330474960362
Servetus said this on June 10, 2016 at 11:44 pm | Reply
Thanks. Will read “part 2” tomorrow. Time for bed now… 😴
Vanguard said this on June 11, 2016 at 12:20 am | Reply
Ugh. As someone who has yet to make up my mind which way to vote I personally found his posts bigoted and unhelpful.
kaprekar said this on June 11, 2016 at 6:10 am | Reply
hi — nice to hear from you! I think he conceded in the second post that his language was unpersuasive.
Servetus said this on June 11, 2016 at 6:13 am | Reply
Here’s an interesting post, if you’re kaprekar interested:https://www.facebook.com/nicholasjohncarter/posts/10153467946496736
(Hope this is okay, Servetus.)
Vanguard said this on June 11, 2016 at 12:15 pm | Reply
I don’t mind as long as don’t fight about it — I am mired up to my ears in RL political discussion as it is. I use fandom for something else🙂
Servetus said this on June 11, 2016 at 4:47 pm | Reply
Can’t say I disagree. Only I prefer and usually retort to logos argumentation on the subject, i.e. the economic aspect.
Sadly, we see a sway towards isolation all over the world, only it wears different guises.
Mermaid said this on June 11, 2016 at 1:11 pm | Reply
I think that’s obviously also a reason upon which to make a decision. However, I am not sure it is a reason that most people understand (or are willing to take the time to dig into).
Servetus said this on June 11, 2016 at 4:48 pm | Reply
I agree completely with you on that. When aspects of national importance are debated, emotions run deep.
I originally wasn’t so EU pro before I took on a job where I got to experience the ramifications of opting out of matters of national security. What mattered most to me then was the sovereignty of the Danish krone, or I rather liked travelling abroad and having to deal with D-Mark, Pesetas and Lire. However, it doesn’t seem so important any more. The head of the Queen needn’t be on the crown(krone) so to speak. Isolation leads to distrust in all aspect of society.
Sorry, I’m ranting here.
Mermaid said this on June 11, 2016 at 9:08 pm | Reply
Obviously as an American I would tend to have a certain kind of opinion about this, but there are very real geopolitical questions in play at the moment that would be significantly impacted by a Brexit.
Servetus said this on June 12, 2016 at 6:03 am | Reply
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