I wonder if he thinks Corbyn will survive tomorrow. I’m not sure I do. Reuters reports EU moving the European Banking Authority out of London.
~ by Servetus on June 27, 2016.
Posted in Richard Armitage Tags: Brexit, richard armitage
Sigh… developments are tough but i am also starting to feel like we are also being ousted out of Europe… poor people who are loosing their jobs while most of them didn’t even vote for it. Why can’t politicians stop think make plans and talk before they start breaking all the plates
Hariclea said this on June 27, 2016 at 1:16 am | Reply
On the EU side, I can understand their frustration. The UK has been hampering fuller integration for a long time now.
Servetus said this on June 27, 2016 at 2:07 am | Reply
Kennst du die meist eher frustriert geäußerte Redewendung: “Wer nicht will, der hatte schon.”
Politisch müssen Konsequenzen folgen, allein schon, um anderen austrittswilligen Bewegungen klar zu machen, was es heißt, die EU zu verlassen. Die schlimmsten Konsequenz müssen die tragen, die sicher gegen den Austritt gestimmt hatten.😦
Elanor said this on June 27, 2016 at 7:04 am | Reply
another phrase that demonstrates the beauty of the German language.
Servetus said this on June 27, 2016 at 3:59 pm | Reply
Oh and parties in a royal mess on both sides and proving the worst expectation of them and therefore confirming the poor opinions of those who wanted to protest against them by voting leave. They all seem to be preoccupied with infighting and nobody seems to bother with serious plans for negotiations. I don’t see even any will of cooperation just stupid agressive talk which is unlikely to get us a good deal 🙁
Hariclea said this on June 27, 2016 at 1:22 am | Reply
Hmmm Boris Johnson, eh? Kidding!
he’s not following any anti-Corbynites is he?
MimReckoner said this on June 27, 2016 at 1:47 am | Reply
he’d previously followed Cameron and Miliband (when he started the account). No, no anti-Corbynites I am aware of. Harman is an interesting choice.
Servetus said this on June 27, 2016 at 2:12 am | Reply
I think it’s a good sign that he’s not just following people he agrees with. If he wants to keep tabs, he must intend to stay involved.
Jane Steinmiller said this on June 27, 2016 at 2:46 am | Reply
I think Mim’s point is that he’s not following any of the politicians who resigned from the Shadow Cabinet today, so you might read him as a Corbyn supporter based on these follows. I was thinking that some of that could be lingering hostility around Blair. The Corbyn backers have been calling the rebels “Blairite” here and there.
Servetus said this on June 27, 2016 at 2:48 am | Reply
I think the Scottish MPs are an interesting choice. Nicola Sturgeon’s reactions have been pretty astute. Saw a few interviews with her yesterday in which she called out all the stakeholders involved in the post-ref mess.
Guylty said this on June 27, 2016 at 7:06 am | Reply
I don’t think Corbyn can survive this. What a terrible mess…
nettebuecherkiste said this on June 27, 2016 at 1:40 pm | Reply
9 resignations overnight! Labour vote of no confidence scheduled. He should just go.
Servetus said this on June 27, 2016 at 3:32 pm | Reply
What’s the world coming to? And you cam almost hear the chirping of birds in the big hole where the Northern Ireland politicians should be screaming that we voted to remain too, and will be the only part of the UK with a border to the EU. the silence is deafening.
As an aside, the former 1st Minister of Scotland, Alec Salmond, is following Richard!
billiepops said this on June 27, 2016 at 4:42 pm | Reply
That’s very cool, in any case.
It’s true, other than Fintan O’Toole’s editorials we haven’t heard much about Northern Ireland, period. Also a potentially volatile situation, too.
Servetus said this on June 27, 2016 at 4:48 pm | Reply
I don’t honestly think it’ll be volatile. There’s more concern about the economy and people who live on one side of the non existent border, and work on the other side of it. There was a 56% vote to remain and that was even with the biggest political party siding with the leave campaign.
billiepops said this on June 27, 2016 at 5:18 pm | Reply
O’Toole was concerned about the abrogation of a component of the a component of a treaty or agreement that addressed ROI vs NI citizenship, I think, for people born in NI. I’m sure you know better than I, but that kind of freaked me out.
Servetus said this on June 27, 2016 at 5:20 pm | Reply
Any chance Richard is a Corbynite?
Lord, knows he’s entitled to his opinion but I really hope he’s not a Corbynite.
As a historian, how do you think that history will remember Jeremy Corbyn?
The basic unwritten principle of our parliamentary democracy is that the leader falls on his sword when the party fails.
Why won’t he? He already lost the north, he’s lost PLP, he’s lost pragmatic moderates, who else is left?
MimReckoner said this on June 27, 2016 at 11:59 pm | Reply
I’ve been wondering about that (and to some extent in line with my own changing political view of the moment. I was raised very conservative, became very liberal after living in México for a year, became more liberal in grad school and as a professor — but lately I feel like the Left in the US has lost the plot, to use a British term — I still feel like I am a liberal but not like I have much in common with the Left anymore). When Blair was in office, I felt about him much like I felt about Bill Clinton when he was in office (particularly his second term), which was that they were pretending to be liberal. My perspective on that has changed somewhat. I wonder what Armitage thought about Blair at the time and how that shapes his views of Corbyn. And how not having lived in the UK since 2011 affects his views as well.
I think the argument for Corbyn has always been that he has that labor union past — supposedly the rank and file really liked him, and his explicit rejection of New Labour, which was bad for working people, was why. He was Labour against Blair, while simultaneously picking up all the cultural causes of the far Left — Amnesty, same sex marriage, etc. I don’t think he’s ever seen himself as a pragmatic moderate. He was always “anti Blair” and I’ve read at least one person who stayed in the shadow cabinet call the rebellion “Blairite.”
I always used to think Armitage was a pragmatic moderate. We’ve had conversations over the years and we always figured him for a Labour voter (not Greens despite his sympathies with environmental causes, and not Lib Dems because they were sort of a cipher). Since Corbyn to me is not a pragmatic moderate, that suggests to me that there’s a Blair hangover there — or maybe he’s just less pragmatic politically than we have typically thought.
re: falling on your sword — this is exactly what I’d say about British politics. You lose an election, you resign. I certainly agree Corbyn’s behavior is odd in this sense. I assume it’s based on some sort of evaluation that there isn’t really an obvious candidate to replace him, or maybe on a sort of iron conviction that he’s right and so he’s going to stick with it until he’s pushed off the boat (in that he kind of resembles Bernie Sanders).
If the Tories can choose their next PM without aid of elections, I think he will go down as a sort of meaningless protestor of the status quo who failed to ignite the general public with his position at a critical moment. If there are Parliamentary elections — harder to say. Would you prefer to go into that with Corbyn, who’s famiiar but unliked, or with someone else, and if so, who?
Servetus said this on June 28, 2016 at 2:48 am | Reply
Thanks for the reply.
Given your observations about Richard not liking conflict, and all his recent tweeting, it is rather striking that he’s not commented on the Corbynite situation. He’s commented on virtually all other angles.
Corbyn is making Cameron look competent! At this point, Labour have nothing to lose if they for a fresh face, even if unexperienced.
I think the most damning aspect for the Labour voters who voted Remain is that they don’t trust Corbyn to fight for them in a Brexit negotiation. It’s kinda asking the fox to guard the hen house. Leaving the EU was always his wish, so would he fight against it.
mimreckoner said this on June 30, 2016 at 3:28 am | Reply
ps — as regards Armitage — I think his palpable anger / sadness about the Leave vote is proportionally more about his picture of himself as a cosmopolitan than it necessarily is about his specific positions on British politics. I assume he’s anti-austerity, but his tweets have circled around the question of immigrants / migrants, etc., and his picture of “his” Britain.
Servetus said this on June 28, 2016 at 2:51 am | Reply
That’s a great encapsulation of the impression I get from him. It’s more about identity then the collapse of the economy to him.
mimreckoner said this on June 30, 2016 at 3:31 am | Reply
Whereas I get really tense about the economy — not because i care in the sense of wanting to keep the plutcrats fed so much, but rather because in our days of monetarism and “trickle down,” if the economy is poor, less trickles down.
Servetus said this on June 30, 2016 at 3:35 am | Reply
Corbyn will be gone by tomorrow. My go to Marxist news source just published an editorial in support of him …
Servetus said this on June 28, 2016 at 5:07 pm | Reply
Lol he’s still there! If only he fought as hard for Remain as he’s doing now!
mimreckoner said this on June 30, 2016 at 3:30 am | Reply
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