~ by Servetus on July 15, 2016.
Posted in Richard Armitage Tags: richard armitage, Twitter
Kennst du die Begrifflichkeit der “senilen Bettflucht”? Ansonsten ist es im Zusammenhang mit diesem Thema natürlich höchst ungeeignet, blöde Witze zu machen …..
CraMERRY said this on July 15, 2016 at 4:40 pm | Reply
…. will sagen unpassend …..
CraMERRY said this on July 15, 2016 at 4:41 pm | Reply
There’s jet lag, too. re: jokes … I’m not worried 🙂
Servetus said this on July 15, 2016 at 4:47 pm | Reply
Re: jet-lag, genau. Ich sollte das wissen. Und zum Thema “senile Bettflucht” gilt natürlich: wer im Glashaus sitzt ….. 😁
Aber mittlerweile sind meine Finger beim Raushauen fast so schnell wie mein Mundwerk 😏
CraMERRY said this on July 15, 2016 at 5:05 pm | Reply
Jet lag or perhaps worried about friends/family.
Defintely with France (again). This is awful (again)…It’s gives flashbacks to the 70s when horrific acts were also so abundant.
I’m getting on a plane tomorrow to Malta, and I’m frankly not too keen. I just want to stay at home…under the covers…where it’s safe.
Mermaid said this on July 15, 2016 at 5:05 pm | Reply
I’m wondering if we’re headed for a replay of 1968 in the US next week and relieved to be living in the middle of nowhere for once.
Servetus said this on July 15, 2016 at 5:57 pm | Reply
I was impressed when he said somewhere that he was up and at the gym on Sundays while in the middle of The Crucible! That man has serious stamina. I am such a sloth in comparison.
sparkhouse1 said this on July 15, 2016 at 5:06 pm | Reply
for sure (him, not you. I doubt you’re a sloth!).
I’m a POC living in a non first world, non white country. The lack of interest & empathy for the attacks and loss of lives in Istanbul, Baghdad, Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia angers me. Mr Armitage, like so many other celebs has, with this tweet, reinforced his whiteness.
Terror attacks are not colour specific. Empathy shouldn’t be either.
sinnaminie said this on July 15, 2016 at 5:49 pm | Reply
Acknowledging that no one can possibly take account of all the horrible things that happen during a day, and that this was particularly horrible and Europeans have a strong connection with France, still I’m with you on this. I’m frustrated that the tweet about Orlando got deleted but now he’s talking about unity? The best intent I can assign to this is that it’s just words but doesn’t really mean that much to him.
He’s definitely proven himself to be a white guy in the last month or so.
Servetus said this on July 15, 2016 at 5:54 pm | Reply
He seems to have a particular bias to France regarding these kinds of tweets. I assume he feels for all victims everywhere but he seems to mostly tweet for France. Perhaps I am wrong. For my part I am getting pretty confused regarding mental health, ethnicity and terrorism. It’s seems so intertwined but I just don’t know what to think anymore. Mental health issues before terrorism is automatically assumed if the perpetrator is white but terrorism seems to be first assumed if the perpetrator in not white. It’s just all so sad, confusing and I just don’t know how it can ever end.
sparkhouse1 said this on July 15, 2016 at 6:15 pm | Reply
I’m going to wait a little bit before I let myself get glued to the screen on this one, but as far as I know all that is known about the guy is he was a Muslim and this was a premeditated attack. It seems like by definition someone who does this kind of thing should be at least considered for classification as mentally ill. And I agree re: readiness to apply the label terrorism more readily to non-whites.
Servetus said this on July 15, 2016 at 6:19 pm | Reply
Serv, I have to disagree with you regarding the mental health classification. My son, husband, and BIL have mental health issues. For example, my son has OCD and has instrusive thoughts where he wants to harm me, himself, or someone else. As I explain to him, the reason those thoughts terrify him is that he knows to act on them it is wrong. He watches the news with us and knows the difference between right and wrong. We also know what some of this triggers are so as to minimize these thoughts.
To me these are evil acts based on an idealism. These acts are encouraged by leaders based on their idealism. This would also apply to Hitler, Stalin, Mao Zedong, and other people who created evil acts based on an idealism. The hard part is how to fight an idea.
I am outraged with the recent attacks in Saudi Arabia, Bangladesh, Baghdad, and Istanbul. I do follow the news of these attacks and I have been keeping up to date with the recent attack in Nice. Coverage of these acts is driven by the news cycles. It seems lately the news is just following one attack after another. As a kid who grew up in the 70’s and 80’s, we didn’t have 24/7 news and numerous news channels to choose from. We didn’t have 24/7 special reports interrupting our regular programming.
And now we have a coup happening in Turkey. Will ISIS now take advantage of this instability and spread their ideology?
valsgal1999 said this on July 15, 2016 at 10:16 pm | Reply
To say that people who commit certain kinds of crimes are mentally ill is not to say that all people who are mentally ill commit certain kinds of crimes. This is an ongoing debate in jurisprudence, though: are there some deeds that by the sheer fact of their commission suggest that we should consider those who commit them mentally ill? (it was part of the discussion around Andrea Yates, which is when I became aware of it, but it’s much older — see M’Naghten Rules). Knowing the difference between right and wrong at the time of the commission of the crime is in fact one of the criteria measured when defendants try to use an insanity defense. Anyone who was aware while planning and committing a crime that what they were doing was morally wrong would automatically not qualify as mentally ill for the purposes of the law. (So your son might have mental health issues, so if he committed a crime, G-d forbid, he wouldn’t qualify as mentally ill in law, apparently.)
I think it’s really hard to tell and it varies by case. The Orlando shooter to me shows clear signs of behaviors that suggest mental illness of some kind. We don’t know enough about this guy to say one way or the other yet. However, his neighbors have said that he was in fact not very religious — some of them have called him irreligious. It’s hard to see at this point how he could be called an idealist. It’s also not an either or situation. You can be both mentally ill and idealistic.
Just so you know — Stalin doesn’t fit that paradigm especially well. Most of the carnage that occurred in Stalinist Russia had to do with inner power and factional struggles rather than ideological issues. Hitler fits it better, however, and I don’t know enough about China under Mao Zedong to say.
re: Turkey and ISIS — this is allegedly a military coup, at this point, and the Turkish military is pretty resolutely secular (one reason taht they’re hostile to Erdogan).
Servetus said this on July 15, 2016 at 10:27 pm | Reply
I get what you are saying, and unfortunately, each case is not always clear whether their personal state of mind bears any mental health issues. There are people whose beliefs we consider crazy, but are not mentally ill. There are certain Muslims who view anyone not aligned with their form of Islam should be killed. In our culture, we find honor killings abhorrent, but there are people who support these actions. Again, evil acts that don’t fall under the canopy of mental illness.
Yes, most of the carnage that occurred in Stalinist Russia had to do with power issues. I am coming from the point of the Totalitarianism of all three of these governments. Millions of Ukrainians died in a famine based on the ideals of the government and historians view as genocide. Similar policies were used by Mao in the Great Leap forward where many Chinese citizens died.
Yes, this is a military coup and I am not surprised by it. I worry this instability will create a vacuum for a larger ISIS presence.
valsgal1999 said this on July 16, 2016 at 2:55 am | Reply
Totaliatrianism isn’t an ideology, though; it’s a governmental style. I’m very aware of the Ukrainian famine, but I wouldn’t call it a phenomenon of totalitarianism except insofar as totalitarian governments have the means to enforce such measures more easily — but that is as much due to technology as to philosophy. In motivation, it was a combination of longstanding nationalist enmity that well predated Communism, government economic policy that came from Communism, and sheer incompetence (crops left in field) by functionaries who didn’t know what they were doing and shouldn’t have been put in charge of the harvest. This isn’t to say it wasn’t horrible, but I don’t see it as the coherent result of ideology in the way (say) the genocide of the Jews in the Holocaust was. Similarly, while many adherents to Islamicist thinking are idealists, we don’t think of ISIS as typically totalitarian insofar as it doesn’t require the sort of state that is usually the focus of totalitarianism. The allegiance is not to the state per se (or in some cases) at all, but to a different idea.
Again, I don’t know enough about China to be able to comment. My teaching on that are of the world is usually limited to relaying events and not analysis.
I don’t think ISIS is likely to gain a strong foothold in Turkey, though. The immediate result of this, no matter what happens, will be a stronger, more repressive dictatorship. The Gülenists are Muslim but they are moderates. All of the defense predictions for ISIS is that we’re looking at a five to seven year period of decay. They have no allies.
Servetus said this on July 16, 2016 at 3:10 am | Reply
Also wanted to say — in the US anyway many crimes that are premeditated but committed by people we might consider insane end up precluding an insanity defense in practice. The assumption is that if you’re mentally together enough to plot a crime, no matter how horrible it is, you’re not so insane that you’re unaware that your actions are morally wrong. But this is viewed differently in other countries.
Servetus said this on July 15, 2016 at 10:34 pm | Reply
I understand his bias feelings about France, I have the same. I suppose being European (with or without Brexit) makes you feel this happened home.
lara said this on July 15, 2016 at 8:36 pm | Reply
I don’t think anyone questions his feelings about France, i.e., no one is saying he shouldn’t care about France or say he cares about it.
Servetus said this on July 15, 2016 at 9:37 pm | Reply
Yes for unity and vigilance plus well-trained police forces .
Joanna said this on July 16, 2016 at 3:59 pm | Reply
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