Richard Armitage masters the German “r”?
This is a neat vid, but my favorite moment is the first consonant in “Freygeyst.” Yay!
.@freygeist_bikes: just one of the many cool pieces from #BerlinStation. @RichardArmitage gives you an inside look! pic.twitter.com/9iyeKzSKMt
— BerlinStation (@BerlinStation) September 2, 2016
His voice coach did a wonderful job and I started wondering how much german he understood before. Think he’d mentiond ” a german friend” somewhere.
So he like the e-bikes, comfortble things, but i prefer the ones without this little battery/motor.
But a question some complain that he uses the word “aluminum” instead of “aluminium” – is this so horrible “american” ? Would be cooler if he used “They’re made of alu!”
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Sarah said this on September 2, 2016 at 3:26 pm |
I wonder how he will do “r” in Auslaut. But this sounds really promising.
Yeah, we say “aluminum” here. I don’t think anyone in the US would necessarily understand “alu.” Do Brits say that?
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Servetus said this on September 2, 2016 at 3:34 pm |
No, but in german we use “Alu”. Don’t know exactly why. In Britain i heard mostly “Aluminium” – and that was kind of weir when I seard for Tin foil and said “Alu foil”
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Sarah said this on September 2, 2016 at 3:40 pm |
yeah, I know (lived in Germany for years). re: “tin foil,” that is something that people still say here as well, if they are my age or older, but I think more people say “aluminum foil” these days.
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Servetus said this on September 2, 2016 at 3:48 pm |
i am not sure because I see aliminium foil not very often anymore in the stores. Just when I need things at OBI or so, then I hear this version like “Alu-Rohre”, also on labels, but just because they’re to small for “Aluminium Rohre, beschichtet, 2 Zentimeter Durchmesser”
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Sarah said this on September 2, 2016 at 3:56 pm |
Interessant, wie hier plötzlich Rohre ins Gespräch kommen 😂
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CraMERRY said this on September 2, 2016 at 4:07 pm |
Das ist zum Röhren!
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CraMERRY said this on September 2, 2016 at 4:08 pm |
Du bist ja immer so schnell im Merken 🙂
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Servetus said this on September 2, 2016 at 4:21 pm |
Für sowas habe ich einen (scheinbar) genetisch bedingten Radar 😂 Man nennt es auch den “Zweideutigkeitsfinder”.
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CraMERRY said this on September 2, 2016 at 4:35 pm |
Useful!
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Servetus said this on September 2, 2016 at 4:46 pm |
Aber Alu-Rohre sind doch was tolles =D
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Sarah said this on September 2, 2016 at 4:52 pm |
🙂 Und wie!
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CraMERRY said this on September 2, 2016 at 5:05 pm |
Sehr gut! 😀
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CraMERRY said this on September 2, 2016 at 3:42 pm |
Der Frrreygeist steht ihm gut zu Gesicht.
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CraMERRY said this on September 2, 2016 at 3:52 pm |
it’s interesting how he gets the “ei” right coming off the “r”, but that he elongates the diphthong very slightly the second time he says it, so “Frey” sounds really good and “geist” sounds just very slightly not right. He needed to clip that diphthong!
But he’s charming in German. OMG! Can’t wait.
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Servetus said this on September 2, 2016 at 3:55 pm |
Der Diphthong (lange nicht mehr gehört 😊) klingt nach “aai”. Eieiei…..
Und er ist echt eine Augenweiiiiiiide im Anzug aufm Bock.
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CraMERRY said this on September 2, 2016 at 4:05 pm |
yeah, he has kind of picked up the American tendency to drawl a diphthong …
He really looks fantastic on that bike. Such a German moment, too 🙂
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Servetus said this on September 2, 2016 at 4:22 pm |
I never thought I’d sort of drool over a man biking along. LOL
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jholland said this on September 2, 2016 at 4:29 pm |
LOL. I used bike along behind my exSO purely for the view of his muscles working. Yeah, Armitage is cool, but there is something inherently sexy about a biker on that kind of bike.
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Servetus said this on September 2, 2016 at 4:45 pm |
Bike riders have never really caught my attention before now. But I’m changing my tune. Let’s hope for a whole lot of gratuitous bike-riding footage. =)
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jholland said this on September 2, 2016 at 6:54 pm |
Too bad he doesn’t wear bikers’ shorts — they really would accentuate his assets (watch out for cRAmerry).
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Servetus said this on September 2, 2016 at 7:25 pm |
Aaah of course, this activates my imagination 😂
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CraMERRY said this on September 2, 2016 at 7:59 pm |
I’m not surprised.
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Servetus said this on September 4, 2016 at 10:29 pm |
That was exactly what I instantly noticed. I confess I replayed that video several times in a row, just to hear him pronounce that name in an almost-German way. And R sound as good as you can get as a non-native speaker without previous knowledge of or extensive exposure to German. I noticed the diphthongs, too, but what is more remarkable, is that he gets the intonation of the word right, I think, with the slight “up” on an almost-separate /i/ sound after the first diphthong, and then then “down” without a separate /i/ on the second diphthong. That melody sounded pretty authentic to my ears, and it’s exactly the intonation that is the stumbling block for non-native speakers. (It’s certainly what trips me up when I speak English.)
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Guylty said this on September 2, 2016 at 5:27 pm |
totally agree about the Sprachmelodie. I admit, too, that since “r” is not my favorite German consonant, it made me really happy to see that he’d gotten this one.
It makes me wonder — maybe he has missed his market with the US. Perhaps he should have learned more German and gotten into the German acting world 🙂
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Servetus said this on September 2, 2016 at 5:33 pm |
I’d support that 😉
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Vanguard said this on September 2, 2016 at 5:37 pm |
Me too.
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CraMERRY said this on September 2, 2016 at 5:47 pm |
Dreimal ja!!!
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linda60 said this on September 2, 2016 at 10:06 pm |
oh bravo bravo bravo – I can only applaud that idea. (And actually, I think there could’ve easily been a particular niche for that sort of actor in German productions.) But then again, the German market would probably not held that much appeal for someone who has ambitions for Hollywood…
Re. Sprachmelodie: The “r” sound is the typical litmus test, don’t you think? I don’t expect English non-native speakers to ever master the “ch” sounds properly – extremely difficult for them. But getting the “r” right shows a) an awareness of the phonetic characteristics of German and b) a willingness to practice and get it right. Good man.
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Guylty said this on September 2, 2016 at 5:50 pm |
In my experience, r is much harder than ch, but I also have r problems in Spanish and I know that many Americans have problems with German “ch,” although I would argue that it’s a function of laziness more than a genuine difficult. Both of these also have strong dialectical variation — it was handy that I dated a north German for so long so that it wasn’t usually a problem just to swallow the r in Auslaut or to mask it with some variation of the English “w” sound. However, I learned the rules for “ch” on about the third day of German and that was never a problem as long as I was in a region where High German was the norm. People were much more likely to notice the “r” problems I have than my pronounciation of “ch.”
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Servetus said this on September 2, 2016 at 7:29 pm |
Dich würde ich zu gerne mal sprechen hören 😊
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CraMERRY said this on September 2, 2016 at 8:06 pm |
Here I am reciting a German poem in 2011: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrG7dVXGV6I
My accent has weakened a lot since then. When exSO and I broke up I stopped speaking German every single day. I’m still fluent but jetzt hapert es ein bißchen.
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Servetus said this on September 2, 2016 at 8:12 pm |
Serv und Gernhardt! Unschlagbar. Ja, man hört die Amerikanerin, aber hey, der Gernhardt ist wahrlich kein Kinderabzählreim. Klasse Intonation hast du!
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CraMERRY said this on September 2, 2016 at 8:21 pm |
Aber es hapert kein Stück an deiner Ausdrucksfähigkeit. Fühl dich weiter in dieser Hinsicht von mir gereizt 😉
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CraMERRY said this on September 2, 2016 at 8:24 pm |
LOL, I was just listening to it again and thinking, yeah, you can tell I’m really outraged about sonnets 🙂 But I think this demonstrates my point; I have way more problems with “r” than with “ch” — Sperre, for instance, there’s no way for me to get around that even using my North German “I’ll just swallow that consonant and hope nobody notices” tricks. I’ve never been able to roll an “r” in my throat.
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Servetus said this on September 2, 2016 at 8:26 pm |
Ich kann es auch nicht rollen. Das können fast nur meine bajuwarischen Mitbürger. Meine Klavierlehrerin hat auch Gesang unterrichtet und mir eine Technik verraten, bei der sich das “r” ganz von alleine vorne im Mund bildet.
Man sagt mehrmals hintereinander “Pdinz von Pdeussen”. Und oh Wunder, es erscheint der Prrrinz von Prrreussen. Jedenfalls, wenn man einen gewöhnlichen deutschen Schnabel hat. 😆
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CraMERRY said this on September 2, 2016 at 8:37 pm |
that “r” roll I can do sometimes (it’s the Spanish variation, produced on the alveola) — after certain vowels it works for me (I can say “carro” correctly but struggle with “perro”).
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Servetus said this on September 2, 2016 at 8:43 pm
Aber das spanische “r” rollt nicht exakt da, wo das Fränkische oder das Opernhafte rollt, oder?
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CraMERRY said this on September 2, 2016 at 8:45 pm
You know, I lived in Franconia for a year but I never listened to the “r” — I think I had basically given up by then. My understanding is that the German “R” in words like “Rose” is supposed to roll in the throat. (However, I know it’s regional).
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Servetus said this on September 2, 2016 at 8:57 pm
Stimmt, die Rose rollt in der Kehle (tut das eigentlich weh?😆) und nur in der Kunst rollt sie vorne. Ist wohl der Tatsache geschuldet, das eine deutliche Artikulation auf der Bühne besser verstanden wird. Klingt aber außerhalb dieses Bereiches ein wenig gespreizt und nun ja, künstlich.
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CraMERRY said this on September 2, 2016 at 9:04 pm
I think the only time I’ve heard the “r” rolled in the front of the mouth in “Preußen” otherwise is in my highly random contact with Volga Germans. My exSO’s sister is a pastor and she had a congregation in which there were a few. But their speech seemed so unusual in so many ways otherwise as well.
I can’t believe we’re talking about this 🙂 Fandom is so educational.
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Servetus said this on September 2, 2016 at 9:10 pm
Ja, oder? Was glaubst du, warum ich immer noch hier bin?? Ist doch fein, das Angenehme mit dem Nützlichen zu verbinden.
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CraMERRY said this on September 2, 2016 at 9:13 pm
I’ll sign you up to be his dialect coach when Berlin Station moves west in its second season 🙂 Talk about useful 🙂
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Servetus said this on September 2, 2016 at 9:17 pm
At your service! 😀
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CraMERRY said this on September 2, 2016 at 9:21 pm
I can offer the ‘Real Rolling R’. I’m deep down bajuwarisch good at it (but there is a moin,moin in me as well!! 😉 ), and it was my speciality when I learned Spanish !! (Just in case Berlin Station ever moves south, and assuming a prior successful stopover in the west with CraMerry! We actually do proper lining up here every now and then. 😀 Ich stehe gerne hinter Frau Merry auch wenn ich dann nichts mehr sehe!! tralala…) Truly it’s exciting to hear RA speak German.
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linda60 said this on September 2, 2016 at 10:44 pm
Selber tRAlala! 😂
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CraMERRY said this on September 2, 2016 at 10:52 pm
We’ll work on adding his regional pronunciation later 🙂
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Servetus said this on September 3, 2016 at 3:25 pm
Oh….Wie konnte ich….. tRAlala! Natürlich.
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linda60 said this on September 3, 2016 at 12:57 am
Obwohl hier mal eben eingeworfen werden muss, dass das rollende R nicht nur für Süddeutschland charakteristisch ist. Im Plattdeutschen kommt das auch vor.
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Guylty said this on September 3, 2016 at 11:08 am
Schlauen Leuten sei es nie verwehrt, irgendwo was einzuwerfen. Obwohl das jetzt verwerflich klingt….
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CraMERRY said this on September 3, 2016 at 11:19 am
True — yeah, I had forgotten that! (Although I always limited myself to “moin,” since I felt it sounded condescending if I tried to say any more.)
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Servetus said this on September 3, 2016 at 3:19 pm
Moin is such a wonderful greeting. Simple. Informal. Works any time of day.
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Guylty said this on September 3, 2016 at 6:44 pm
And no truly troublesome sounds. As opposed to Polish “czesc.” You don’t have a chance with that one if you’re not a native speaker or very highly skilled as a linguist.
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Servetus said this on September 3, 2016 at 6:46 pm
Neither can I. I can produce a similar sound only with a consonant in front of the R.
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Guylty said this on September 3, 2016 at 11:07 am |
Love hearing the Northern German influence on how you pronounce the word “Tag” in the clip 😊. ExSO definitely left his mark.
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Guylty said this on September 3, 2016 at 11:07 am |
I think I’ve told you his mother was a Gymnasium teacher and his father was a Lutheran bishop — they corrected their children’s speech all the time and so they just included me right in that 🙂 It was good but it’s frustrating to have your speech corrected when you’re 27, lol 🙂
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Servetus said this on September 3, 2016 at 3:21 pm |
Oh, I can imagine. (I wonder whether I will still do that with mine when they are 27…)
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Guylty said this on September 3, 2016 at 6:45 pm |
Let me say: I hope not 🙂
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Servetus said this on September 3, 2016 at 6:48 pm
This was fun! I’m really looking forward to hearing how he handles German in the series.
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taurus said this on September 2, 2016 at 6:31 pm |
me too!
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Servetus said this on September 2, 2016 at 7:29 pm |
May I say, even if the bike is matching his power, those thighs powered through “every single major route” until 3:00 am? Those thighs never cease to amaze me. Sorry, I’m not a linguist lol.
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Jane Steinmiller said this on September 2, 2016 at 6:36 pm |
well, he did have that electricity to help him 🙂
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Servetus said this on September 2, 2016 at 7:30 pm |
Man, he has long legs. (((Sigh))))
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Babette said this on September 2, 2016 at 9:01 pm |
Sighing with you 🙂
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Servetus said this on September 2, 2016 at 9:03 pm |
May I join in? 🙂
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linda60 said this on September 2, 2016 at 10:50 pm |
😍
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Jane Steinmiller said this on September 3, 2016 at 3:45 am |
OT Serv, do you have an idea why as of late my WPgravatar has changed? (I didn’t change anything)
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linda60 said this on September 2, 2016 at 10:49 pm |
I don’t know — you’re not the only person it happened to, though. You might want to create a “gravatar” with a unique picture, though — I’ve never seen those change. en.gravatar.com
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Servetus said this on September 3, 2016 at 3:24 pm |
Right, I wanted to do this years ago but it turned out that there obviously is another linda60 on WP. Thought it strange, and not very helpful to change my nickname, as it then would be difficult to not be mixed up or recognised as maybe “The One and Only linda60” (!!!!) in the fandom. 😉 Hahaha..not that I’m so well known. Ja mei!!!!
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linda60 said this on September 4, 2016 at 6:38 pm |
Da ist bestimmt ein abgespaltener Persönlichkeitsteil von dir unterwegs. 😂
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CraMERRY said this on September 4, 2016 at 6:57 pm |
Solange es nur einer ist…… nicht weiter beunruhigend, oder was meinst du!!! Erklärt vielleicht warum ich mich oft so zerfleddert fühle! 😛
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linda60 said this on September 4, 2016 at 7:45 pm |
Solange du alle deine “Persönlichkeiten” im Griff hast, ist das kein Problem.
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CraMERRY said this on September 4, 2016 at 7:58 pm |
You could call yourself EchteLinda60 🙂
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Servetus said this on September 4, 2016 at 10:30 pm |
😂
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CraMERRY said this on September 5, 2016 at 12:13 am |
[…] And some eargasm for Germanophiles thrown in as an extra. As I said, that uvular trill. (Check the discussion over at me+r for more linguistic w*nking […]
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Armitage Weekly Round-up – 2016/29 | Guylty Pleasure said this on September 3, 2016 at 8:06 am |
Eek! All that traffic and no helmet! He does look magnificent on a bike though, all beautifully long legs pumping, coat tails flying.
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Mezz said this on September 3, 2016 at 10:13 am |
You don’t see many adults with helmets biking in Berlin, so it’s not just a strategy to let you see more of his face (as opposed to Margaret’s anachronistic bonnet in N&S, which was all about making sure you could see her face). Honestly I never felt unsafe without a helmet in Germany. In the U.S., however …. I like to bike but I don’t own a bike anymore because I almost never feel safe.
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Servetus said this on September 3, 2016 at 3:22 pm |
Sounds as though Berlin drivers are responsible and considerate. 🙂
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Mezz said this on September 4, 2016 at 1:14 am |
The figure I read recently is that a fifth of Berliners commute primarily by bike … which doesn’t mean there aren’t problematic car drivers, I suppose. But it’s a huge contrast to here.
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Servetus said this on September 4, 2016 at 1:17 am |
He seems to be doing very well on the American accents. Ah yes Aluminum foil and Tin foil both are known here. I would have to asks sis-in- law reg German accent, she teaches & is full German, I was learning and stopped. Reg: those long magnificent legs..yep.must agree with Jane, those thighs have mesmerized me not only the length but the muscles..gah.
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Irish Witch said this on September 4, 2016 at 6:17 pm |
yeah. Really the best we’ve seen them since Guy, I think. Thorin got me out of the habit of looking for his legs.
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Servetus said this on September 4, 2016 at 10:31 pm |