Richard Armitage livens up our Friday afternoon

[For the record, Servetus — due to intentional holes placed in her childhood education by both parents and public educators — favors age-appropriate explanations of life that correspond to reality. Given that many children are already aware of non-heterosexuality before they come to the classroom, why should there be any problem discussing this fact in a class? Five-year-olds who ask “where do babies come from” are not asking for information either about sex acts or the biological aspects of fertilization. Seems like there should be no problem discussing LGBTQ+ families in the same way. What I hated as a kid was being lied to, and when I discovered those lies many years later, they were even more enraging. Whether something is morally right or not, if it exists, pretending it doesn’t by refusing to discuss it is insane.]

~ by Servetus on March 29, 2019.

41 Responses to “Richard Armitage livens up our Friday afternoon”

  1. the preschool where i teach has a child with two female parents and another child with two male parents. Both of these families are accepted without question by their classmates. I hope this generation of children will be raised to consider nontraditional families as “just another kind of family”

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    • You’d think. Especially given the increasing prevalence of single parent households, the US family is becoming more and more diverse and so the definition of “family” should expand in the classroom just as it has in reality.

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      • we read a book called The Family Book. It shows different types of families (one parent, two parent, extended family living together, divorced parents, etc) and how they are all just families. Great lesson

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  2. Amen. We can teach children from an early age that families – and the love they represent – comes in different shapes and sizes without getting into the details about sex until it’s appropriate to introduce that into the discussion.

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    • To be honest I don’t remember this being an explicit topic when i was in early primary school at all. I don’t think we even had a health class until fourth grade — when they sent a “opt out” letter home that they were going to teach a class about menstruation and puberty. And that was pretty value free. It was a “this could happen and this is how you prepare for it” class.

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      • So true. There was nothing; absolutely nothing in my education. Mind you I’m ten years older than you and Richard, so I suspect that timing is a factor. I learned to embrace peoples’ differences from my parents. That said, I firmly believe that we’re having a moment and we should seize it to teach our kids to embrace diversity – sexually, religiously and culturally.

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        • This whole topic of “how you learn to think about difference” is one I’ve wanted to blog about for a long time, because the current political atmosphere has made me think about it frequently. I grew up in a situation where the norm was very dominant (like a lot of rural areas). In retrospect of course there was diversity but the “diverse” people didn’t talk about it. There was a kind of tacit contract — we’ll accept you if you don’t discuss it. It’s not how I’d like the next generations to think about this stuff at all.

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      • J’adhère à ce que, toutes les deux, vous avez écrit. Les temps changent vers une prise de conscience responsable de la notion élargie de famille.
        Par contre, il n’est pas inutile de prévenir les très jeunes enfants que leur corps est leur propriété. Aborder les risques encourus, à cause des prédateurs sexuels pédophiles, n’est pas superflu, ne doit plus rester tabou.

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        • I think a lot has changed in the last four decades in that regard — kids learn about inappropriate touching in school and so on, at least in the US.

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      • Reste qu’en France, une partie de la population n’a pas cette ouverture d’esprit. Ils ont montré leurs désaccords à l’occasion de débats sociétaux comme le droit à l’avortement, le contrôle des naissances, le mariage pour tous, le pacs: pacte civil de solidarité , la théorie des genres enseignée à l’école … Le chemin a parcourir est encore long, pour que les mentalités évoluent vers plus d’humanité, de tolérance.

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        • it’s true — and I think that we’re too optimistic if we think prejudicial ideas will die off on their own. To some extent they will — but we’ve seen a lot of evience in the US that ideas we thought were long gone were still lurking in the corners.

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  3. Wow. He is getting into that conversation? On a Friday night? I am slowly beginning to believe those who recently suggested that there may be a connection between alcohol intake and social media activities…

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    • Es wäre zu schade, wenn er eine solche Aussage nur in angetrunkenem Zustand machen könnte / würde…
      Ich möchte viel lieber denken, dass er gerade eine gute Zeit hat und das seinem Selbstbewusstsein einfach gut tut?
      (Außerdem: Wo er recht hat, hat er recht.)

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      • let’s hope.

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      • Das ist genau mein Reden – wurde aber schon desöfteren angezweifelt.

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        • The thing is, as someone who kibbitzed Richlee for its entire existence, I saw so many times where people observed (or thought they observed) a change and said “this means he’s feeling [THIS]” and they talked themselves into believing things for which there was no evidence, and turned out later not to be true, and seeing things that were not there. Some of those people are otherwise sane. I’m not going to let myself go there until I see at least a year of markedly changed behavior, or more evidence of some other type emerges.

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          • An Richlee hatte ich dabei gar nicht in erster Linie gedacht.
            Etwas Rückgrat in diesem Zusammenhang wäre einfach schön und da er ja wohl zumindest mit Lee befreundet ist (war?), wäre das sicher auch für diesen eine Art Unterstützung. Da muss man ansonsten nix weiter hinein interpretieren.
            (Sicherheitshalber habe ich gerade nochmal nachgeschaut, ob der Tweet überhaupt noch da ist. Diese Sorge ist das eigentliche Problem. Er macht einfach zu oft Rückzieher, wenn er sich mal was “traut”. Aber noch ist die Nachricht vorhanden. “seufz”)

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            • I agree that one doesn’t have to draw any further conclusions from statements like this, but the fact remains that some people do. (There were several remarks on Twitter yesterday in the line of “I thought you were making an announcement” or “is he making an announcement”?). People are always ready to jump to conclusions, and I try to guard against this propensity in myself. Admittedly this is more on my mind recently because I just taught semantic logic during my philosophy class in January. I’m not opposed to any interpretation in particular — I just want there to be consistent evidence for something, and I try to state, when I conclude something, how good I think the evidence is.

              And I agree — the real issue given his history with Twitter is whether he’s willing to leave the tweets stand.

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    • he did come out in favor of the Irish same sex marriage referendum waaaaay back toward the beginning of his tweeting. In any case something is lowering his inhibitions (whether alcohol, boredom, or a change of heart) as it’s hard to imagine he’d have been this way about something like this. “Fixed it for you” is a bit cattier than he usually gets.

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      • Do you think it may have something to do with his mother passing – that now that some time has passed since that he is feeling a little emotionally freer? Sometimes people, regardless of how old they are, have a little more reservations with their statements because of their mothers (perceived) opinion of them. And it’s usually the case that their mother could care less. I’m probably not expressing myself very well.

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        • I think it’s possible (and I can think of great explanations for that, including but not limited to my own experiences in that situation — when mom died I felt like my superego had disappeared for a while). However, I think it’s just too early to tell if there’s a real change here (as opposed to blips) or if so what the reason might be. This is why I try to think of plausible explanations as opposed to attributing it to one thing. I guess I’m cautious after all the discussion during the Hobbit press tours about how he’d changed or he was doing something completely differently and really, if you look at them now or in the long term perspective the changes were not that significant or didn’t last.

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      • Oh, true. I really hope he will choose LGBT rights as something he is getting behind. That would make so much more sense – and more of a difference – than cyberbullying.

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      • I admit to getting giddy with that snarky comment.

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        • I dislike that particular turn of phrase (it falls in a category for me with preemptive “you’re welcome”) but I understand it’s a social media standard practice.

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    • Timing wise, the reason he tweeted on Friday may well be just because the TV programme he refers to, BBC Question Time, is broadcast on BBCOne live on Thursdays at 10.30pm. So, this question was on the previous evening’s programme.

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    • No, the programme went out Thursday 10.35pm

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      • Since we know he is interested in that program, my hypothesis was that he hadn’t looked at Twitter until Friday evening because he’d been working earlier.

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  4. So, I innocently get on Twitter and see these RA remarks, and I think, “WTH? Where’d this come from?”

    After a cup of coffee or three, and still seeing that these tweets are actually real, and not yet deleted, I still don’t know what to think of it, other than perhaps he came across something during his day that he wanted to discuss.

    Reminds me of something I heard long ago…six year-old Johnny comes to his mom and asks her, “Where did I come from?” She sighs and sees that it’s time for the birds and the bees story.

    When she is done, she looks at Jimmy and asks if he understands. He says, “I guess. Bobby said he was from Pennsylvania.”

    Maybe it’s okay to take it at face value and not delve too far into it…

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    • It was going so well, then I see that Jimmy should be Johnny…oops!

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    • As people noted above, it’s a response to a UK TV program. (I apologize that that isn’t obvious from my post — I screencapped it rather than hotlinking it because I was afraid he would delete the tweets.)

      I agree that five year olds don’t need (and aren’t interested in) accurate information about sex acts or how fertilization works. (see original post). However, if children that age are discussion families in school, then other family configurations should be discussed as equally legitimate. In the US, so called “non traditional” families are now in the majority, I believe.

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  5. Well, good for him for being a bit more outspoken. It’s refreshing to see him being a bit more free on Twitter … but we’ll see if it lasts, I guess.

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  6. So I’m assuming he’s talking about it because it’s been a big topic on SM and in the UK news the past week or so? Maybe he posting because it’s an issue close to his heart? Guess we could read stuff into it but I’m not gay and posted about it last week. I do however have gay /queer/trans friends..this stuff is important to me for my friends sake and I’m also a tree hugging liberal and a humanist.

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    • Hopefully this is a sign that RA will become more outspoken on LGBT+ issues. If he has been muzzled/self-muzzled in the past, then it could be enormously liberating for him . Yes, we shall see

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    • I agree that this issue is one that concerns people of all sexual orientations. However, fans of long duration are always going to read statements like this in the context of the longer trajectory of the crush. This particular topic has been one of huge contention within the fandom. It’s died down now, and hopefully we can talk more rationally about it than we could five years ago, but a lot of people have not forgotten those days. (Me in particular. My willingness to discuss this issue in 2013 was a defining moment / low point in my experiencing of being a fan.)

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  7. I find when he’s in the uk he’s quite a traditional viewer. QT is still big though it used to be bigger. Even the/ my Brexit opposing bunch who object to the frequency of Brexit zealots/ liars on the programme seem to sometimes not be able to stop themselves from tuning in. Anyone mildly interested in politics is watching. And this was the one subject which apart from Brexit made all the news, all the papers etc because some parents protested the education re LGBT rights etc. We live in times when sadly all sort of bigots feel more entitled to express their views and violently. And what has bern turning my stomach, in the name of ‘balance’ journalists from mainstream media indulge in poking the circus even further in inflammatory ways. I can only say shame on respected programme like QT to sink to such headlines. All in the name of engaging social media in ‘debate’. I for one have sadly stopped watching and i dip into Newsnight rarely too as the only nutters and liars we haven’t had on are ‘flat-earthers’. There is a certain glee and selfindulgence in the media about the state of politics here and across the pond which i find not only disgusting, but dangerous and inflamatory. Rather than informed and measured debate it all descends into aggressive, uninformed and populist monologues. In QT these days the people in the public make way more sense than the moderators and guests. You hear more sense on Googlebox than from politicians or media. So backtracking, since he’s around he’ll check in QT which at least mixes voices of what the people think with politicians & public figure answers. And frankly we were all shocked by parents protesting education about legal rights… i guess we didn’t really see it coming:-(( so his reaction mirrors that of most of us: say what? Why us there an issue, why are we even debating this? Since there hasn’t been a protest of this kind against curricula in ages. So he’s just saying what we all have. But it’s again all of us being blindsided by the entitlement extreme and regressive views have been given by Government and public figures echoed with glee by the media. It saddens me enormously to see serious outlets giving voice to these and instead of serious and unrelenting challenge falling to the same ‘tone’. Woe is us if we now allow those who shout the loudest to not only restrict the rights but also limit and censor the education of our children..

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    • I’m still watching the BBC — it’s the only sane news we have, but I’m sorry to hear it’s being infected by the whole equal time / fairness shtick.

      I’m really kind of bothered (it happens in the US, too, just not usually Muslims doing the protesting but rather Xian evangelicals) when parents think they have the right to circumvent the curriculum just because it doesn’t meet with their approval. I mean, when I was a kid we certainly learned things in school that my parents disagreed with but the general position was that then it was the job to make clear that that was the situation, i.e., the parents’ job, at home. Not by cutting off discussion in the school.

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