À la recherche du temps perdu — not

[Not about PINTER/Proust. LOL. Assumes awareness of this article. I have not watched the Obsession trailer — yet. I watched the short preview, saw Armitage’s thumb on someone’s throat, and was — dare I say it — turned OFF. And slightly surprised about it.]

On Friday, an Armitage friend — ok, let’s be honest, I’ve known her thirteen years, I’ve only met her once, but we’ve had enough frank conversations about intimate and indeed grave matters that she is solidly in the “friend” category nowadays, though she’s shelved her Armitage fandom — dropped me a FB message to say that she had seen the Obsession trailer and she was really glad she didn’t have to ride this out in the fandom.

I agreed. Some of it’s expected. Every new project spawns a group of more or less vociferous “I’m sitting this one out” fans. Each time, a few fans even become frustrated enough with the continued stream of mediocre projects that make us think “he is so much better than this material” that they quietly move on to other crushes. Admittedly, I had underestimated the impact of the latter effect until very recently. Outrage about a project is still a symptom of love, but not caring about something enough to express yourself about it at all? Nothing could be a stronger sign of the death of a crush than indifference. No one wants their crush to be “somebody that I used to know,” even if Armitage said in 2012 that he liked the song.

I wrote about desire, sex, and fantasy quite a bit back then, and in my experience, debates on these topics have always operated around a huge open chasm around cultural and discursive differences in the Richard Armitage fandom, with a sort of label above the abyss — “being respectful” — that is equally a bridge and a weapon. Some resonances certainly came to mind (there are probably more), and this stuff is what my friend knew she wouldn’t miss.

Like Guylty, I do miss the times of intense discussions but not the punishing arguments, and increasingly, these go hand in hand. Right now, I don’t experience fan drama unless I seek it out and my curiosity has fallen to an all-time low. I hadn’t planned to write, but reading other bloggers’ thoughts (Guylty; Esther; Kate) has reminded me of a recent recognition that sex as an identity issue has really changed for me. This blog had its origins in re-claiming my own identity, and that (identity) would be the main reason to continue writing, with or without Richard Armitage. And if I continue what I hope will be more regular blogging, I will have a lot to say about sex.

In the short term, first, to the article.

Like many of us I was surprised to learn that Richard Armitage pitied people who hadn’t had an “overwhelming, indescribable physical obsession” because “everyone should feel that.” Or that one is not fully human who has not experienced an all-consuming orgasm. For readers familiar with the history of academic psychology, his claim is going to sound a lot like a vulgarization of Erik Erikson’s statements about mutuality of heterosexual orgasm in Childhood and Society (1950) — if psychologists thought this way at one time, those days have ended as the influence of Freud and the Oedipal complex on psychotherapy gradually and thankfully wane. Perhaps it’s worth a reminder that well into our lifetimes, respected professionals still thought of male homosexuality as a type of psychological disorder, a sort of immature, pre-genital fixation on pleasure. Since I assume that Armitage would characterize himself as fully human and sexually mature, though, I was idly curious about who played the role of indescribable physical obsession for him, and whether it might have been Lee Pace. I also thought it was mildly paradoxical to say that everyone should experience an uncontrollable obsession, but that he wanted his characters’ on-screen sex lives to be choreographed. Obsession for thee, but not for me? We’ve seen that before, too, back when he was trying to change our tastes.

There’s a pattern there, though. It’s like saying he prefers to spend his life in control, but that he likes to ski because then he’s out of control. Or that it’s uncivilized to cry uncontrollably in reality, but he longs to do it during acting. In short: Armitage regularly appears to be the sort of individual reluctant to know “what would happen if [he] let his appetites overwhelm [him].” Or one who would be glad to let his appetites overwhelm him, if only he could control the process. There would be something worth teasing out at length here through a decade of interviews, especially in light of some fans’ assessments that Armitage’s career hasn’t taken off further because his performances don’t dare very much. It’s the kind of thing people say as they’re walking out the door, and I don’t necessarily share this view, but I have heard it expressed more than once. It fits with his oft-alluded-to horror of auditioning, and I’ve wondered recently if the reason for the kinds of projects he does now relates to a reluctance or refusal to audition. Years ago Armitage didn’t like the idea of one man shows, but as an audiobook narrator he is increasingly involved in them. Does he even like acting? Lately, in light of the publication of his own book, I sort of wonder. It’s all stuff that it’s much easier to be in control of than acting.

Whatever his remarks mean, of course, they are certainly about him, just as my interpretation of them is about me.

~ by Servetus on April 3, 2023.

43 Responses to “À la recherche du temps perdu — not”

  1. I have not seen Obsession. Just watched the trailer. Is this a remake of Damage ? In that Irons was incredibly HOT. Even the Audio version with Ciaran Hinds’ voice was quite steamy in my opinion. Not sure about Obsession though. I found The Stranger disappointing and have not seen Stay Close either. Did recently see Our Man in Rome. Not a fan of Richards project at the moment

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    • I see now that it is indeed a remake. I don’t think there needed to be one.

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      • I don’t remember seeing the first one, although Herba reviewed it recently. It’s possible that it didn’t come to the cinemas in the place I lived back then.

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    • I saw the Man from Rome too. Stumbled across it on You Tube. Medicocre film. Best thing are the locations in Seville. I thought Richard’s performance as Father Quart was distinctly underwhelming (in the way I thought his performance as spy Daniel Miller was). I could not work out why he was talking in a funny voice until I realised his character was Irish and he was meant to be doing an Irish accent (badly imo).
      I think there have been too many mediocre projects which I have no interest in watching. The Harlan Coben Netflix series are enjoyable capers but instantly forgettable tv. Plots do not stand up to scrutiny. Good ensemble cast, generally well acted but Richard is not the standout performer IMO.
      I am hoping that Richard’s performance in Obsession will be memorable (for all the right reasons), and that there will be some depth in the exploration of the characters, why they do what they do. And that it is a cut above the other “erotic” dramas found on Netflix. The original film of the novel Damage, with Jeremy Irons and Juliette Binoche, is considered a classic. I wonder whether the Netflix remake will be…..

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  2. Thanks for posting your own response to the article. It’s exactly the sort of material where I long to hear your take. Your post is an interesting turn on the discussions elsewhere about RA’s absolute declarations, and you are touching on something that I have an increasingly frustrated response to. I don’t mean the apparent (but possibly misconstrued or misrepresented) condescension in his quotes, but the duality of his proclamations. Sometimes it’s trivial contradictions (the posters he had on the wall when he was a teenager), sometimes it’s advocating for sexual abandon and/or explicit depiction of sex while policing his own TL. (😬 these might be two different issues that I am diffusing here). Whatever, the issue for me is that in his media communication he comes across as increasingly inconsistent, and I am finding it harder and harder to actually see who he is. Maybe that is intentional (we know his distinct need for privacy), but it also makes for a lack of authenticity. If anything, what initially drew me to RA was very strongly influenced by the way he presented himself through his early communications with the fans. He appeared authentic. There was a clear sense of the man, even if carefully edited by himself. Now I often see contradictions, or am surprised by glimpses of the man that don’t chime with the image that I pieced together over 11 years of following his career. Is it an inevitable by-product of growing celebrity that authenticity is impossible or needs to be guarded and kept private? Or maybe it’s all me?
    Anyway, there is more in your post that I find worthy of discussion re. (possible) lack of daring performances, and lack of control feeding into a transition to media that offer 100% control over his work

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    • Just a thought, but maybe he is changing with age too? He has become maybe more sure of some things about himself and or more comfortable with some aspects or himself and still unsure, or conflicted or just at odds with other aspects of himself. Or you know, feeling conflicted about things about himself that are a certain way or feel a certain way and he would like them to be different? He probably is quite a different person than he was at the start of his career, or when it took off as a career.

      I find myself less willing than i the past to look over some of his statements or trying to explain them. That’s me changing and my view of the world around me changing as well – why i think he might have changed as well?

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      • I’m sure some (many?) things have changed for him / about him. I suppose there’s an argument available that we are comfortable with his changes to the extent that we are comfortable with his own?

        But I do think his changes don’t matter to me as much any more. Whereas his project choices matter a lot more. I used to be agnostic about role choice — completely. Whereas the last two years I have heard of new projects and thought, uch.

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      • oh, I should also say: there’s the whole question of his mother’s death. If that played any role in his life like it did in mind, there’s a whole lot that can be attributed to it.

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      • Rookie error on my part for not allowing for change over time. That is true. In some respects he simply has grown out of earlier convictions or feels more empowered to be honest etc., like we all do with age. Although in this particular case, he changes his approach within the PR for the same project. (Latest articles on Obsession are much tamer. Probably has to do with the audience of the respective mags and what Netflix PR tells him to focus on.)

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        • I miss the olden days of longer series with more time to deep dive and more interviews about roles over time. PR is different too I guess and maybe because overall filming is also more compacted he’s got less time with characters overall etc. And we all change so attitudes change too. I strangely feel I somehow know and understand him.less now than years back..

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          • True about PR. I notice with a lot of series in the US that they get a burst at the beginning and then there’s nothing (Berlin Station was a little like this, but there are more extreme examples). To me, Sanditon is a good example. There was intensive coverage of the first season — to the point that I guess fans successfully coerced the renewal of the series — but now we are on series 3 and most of the recappers I follow regularly have abandoned it. (Not that it upsets me; I am still watching but I thought series 2 was just silly. I could recognize Austen in the first series but the second was just a prissier version of Bridgerton).

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        • there was a little of that with first Hobbit press round (he talked about the “races” of Middle Earth and how Tolkien thought the dwarves were Jewish and after two days we never heard it again) but I agree, it seems a bit more pronounced now.

          I guess all those marketers have to justify their salaries somehow.

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    • This is something we’ve all struggled with for a while: what are the grounds for believing something is authentic? (I mean: I was writing about this back in 2010)

      Armitage epistemology: or, an exercise in source critique

      I agree with you that the difference now is that it’s really hard to build any kind of consistent picture (even leaving out things he said a decade ago that might have changed — I know the one that struck me is his statement that he’d become a neatnik, in contrast to his earlier days — just because I found the “mild slob” image so appealing). The media are also all much more niche now and seem themselves less interesting in delivering a consistent picture. I guess this is the price for them not reading all the earlier articles in order to do a new interview — the exchange for not hearing about the circus and elephant manure and so on. And he does own good job of complicating the picture.

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      • The “niches” are a good point. He certainly adapts his comments to the audience he is speaking to. Hence the Guardian gets a full-on lecture on what makes humans human, while the more entertainment focussed TV guides get the milder version about the destructiveness of an obsessive affair driven by sex. As someone else pointed out, he’s probably singing directly from Netflix PR’s hymn sheet. The conclusion for me is what Hari said above – I’m getting less willing to explain his statements. Even to myself. And that almost feels like the first step towards not caring.

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    • Sorry, I am not changing my state of mind. Sa manière de fuir, à la sortie des artistes, le choix continue (depuis le “Hobbit”) de rôles plutôt hors normes sont les témoins d’une volonté que les “wellwishers” lui “lâchent les baskets”, le laissent tranquille.

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      • He is going on ” trying to change our tastes”.

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        • so you don’t think there are roles he might want, that he isn’t getting offered?

          I do think also there is a question of professional connection, i.e., he will have been in a number of Netflix productions of very high interest in different genres. Like possibly his hope is to eventually get better roles offered. (I don’t see how all this Harlen Coben gets him that, but whatever.)

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          • Perhaps, he isn’t getting offered or some situation has caused cinematography projects “abortions”. The old rock singers project was one of them. Covid and globalized crises have reshuffled the cards. Uncle Vania was cut short…
            He created his own production society, now he could offer roles that matter to him, instead of appearing clothes off, going fishing for fan and money back.

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  3. Makes me smile, in a sad way, that the material or role which isn’t very interesting to me is bringing back what i really missed, the debate and discussion 🙂 It’s more interesting than some of recent work, which i haven’t seen or read/listened to all, i’m almost as behind as Uncle Vanya! I didn’t remember i guess until now, how much the sharing and chatting and reading other’s people’s thoughts was part of the pleasure of enjoying some of his roles. Really glad this has brought some spark back.

    Very interesting what some people are saying about how daring the roles/acting are/is. I still wonder, without having a clear cut view myself, if this is more the roles he’s been offered or has been successful in getting or the path he chose to take? We’ll never know, will we. Could be he tried more challenging roles but didn’t get them? Was it because he finds it harder than others to go there for an audition whereas he could potentially/possibly go there during the role (e.g Hannibal for example). But would there not have been more if he really sought them out persistently? Do we have regrets about him not having a bigger breath of these in his portfolio? Does he? And in the latter case are some of the things he says or comments and expression of this internal conflict, really wanting to be more out there but not being able to break inner barrier to do so?
    The what ifs….. we’ll never know i guess. But we’ll probably always keep wondering.

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    • I think part of the issue for me is that there’s been so much less to talk about. Part of that is the feeling that I’ve had of “why devote so much energy to this” when watching Berlin Station (which I put a lot of energy into recapping) and “Stay Close,” but part of is that TV editing has gotten, for my taste, a lot less complex, or maybe it’s that the TV cameras don’t linger on his face. It used to be possible to observe his face in a scene and note a lot of different elements; that was rarely the case in his recent TV work. The recent stuff doesn’t repay a rewatch (esp in comparison with something like Robin Hood, which wasn’t a great show, but which he clearly put a lot of thought into in terms of his performance.)

      I’m sure it’s anecdata, but from my perspective there are two main reasons fans leave “mad”: (a) bad fandom experiences and (b) disappointment in Armitage usually relative to his projects. I don’t know why he doesn’t get better roles, but it’s not because (as he apparently said? I haven’t been watching his press as closely as used to) that other people are better actors than he is. Maybe he wants to be an author, now. I used to think the reason his career didn’t take off quickly after N&S was that he was avoiding romantic leads due to various aspects of the sexual orientation question — but now he’s out and one of the first things he does is play a straight male in a sexually explicit role. So obviously it’s not the obstacle now that it apparently was then.

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      • Whatever the merits or not of Obsession, it is great to have discussions like these in the fandom. The drama will probably have high audiences and may lead to RA being offered higher profile roles. I can’t help wondering if there is a link between his speaking publicly about his sexuality with his decision to play a a straight lover in an explicitly erotic drama, as if to put to bed quickly the persistent insinuation that gay actors won’t be believable in straight romantic roles if they come out (RA certainly has been convincing, with aplomb, over the years).
        On another note I will watch anything that he is in but so many of his roles/projects are mediocre or lacking in fibre, immature maybe. It is disappointing that Now and Then seems to dwindled, it sounded like an interesting project.

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  4. It’s a good point, that we/I must still care a bit, as I am interested to see this. Was not turned off, especially as it is exploring the damage that obsession can bring and so should not be a glorification of an affair with one’s offspring’s love interest. I think I would have felt a bit differently at the beginning of my crush, but only because my interpretation of his personality at the time wouldn’t have fit with him taking a role like this.

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    • It’s odd how specific kinks can be, but there was the double whammy for me of my beloved Armitage thumb (!) and what looks like the beginning of some kind of asphyxiation game. I am just not interested in that, although my nieces tell me that “everyone does it” now.

      It’s an odd recognition for me to come to, because ten years ago I was busy pointing out that there are lot of metaphorical levels to sex in fiction, on screen (and taking a fair amount of ridicule for insisting). I just can’t see any erotic meaning in that kind of sex play. To me, it’s only abusive.

      That said, maybe I misinterpreted the frames I saw (I turned it off after that) and I will probably start watching it at least. I might fast forward through the sex.

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      • Well just for you I will try to watch it this weekend🤪not necessarily turned off by these sort of games but I am disappointed in his choice of films these days. Not a Harlan fan. Perhaps he can’t play the action hero anymore? Although he was a bit of an action priest in Our man .. could it be he gets turned down for more exciting parts? Or is his production company taking more of his time. Has anyone seen any of those projects?

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        • Yeah, Harlan is a serious turnoff for me, even on a sort of intellectual / cultural level.

          A lot of male actors’ careers ebb in the decade after they graduate from the “romantic lead” category. If they survive after that, they can come back and do really well, but there are plenty of people who just disappear and never come back. So perhaps Armitage’s production company is his way to hedge his bets. That said, as far as I know, nothing there has come to fruition yet.

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      • Oh I can see how that could be a turn-off. I’m definitely not interested in that in real life, but perhaps written or screen fiction? Although after the whole Gian Gomeshi thing, maybe it can only be abusive. As long as she doesn’t call him Daddy. Ew.

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  5. About Obsession, I just saw a piece of the trailer. And I can’t remember anything about Damage.
    After that, I remember the synopsis, and the quality of Louis Malle’s film. As for this new adaptation — and for Netflix — I don’t expect much. The director talks a lot about “50 Shades of Grey”: in my opinion, “50 Shades of Grey” is a marshmallow that pretends to be something it’s not. Lousy eroticism coupled with a bad plot. In short.
    As for Richard Armitage’s comments, I have to say I understand what he means. I know from experience what this kind of obsession can be, without necessarily the love triangle. And I also know how toxic (the word is probably strong) this kind of obsession can be; let’s say incredibly addictive. The drug analogy is quite apt, and even though it’s been a part of my life, a part of my experience, I’m not going to pity people who haven’t experienced it. This is probably where I differ greatly from dear Richard, who seems to me to lack a bit of … perspective.

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    • Totally agree with you about 50 Shades although I have only read the books, not seen the film(s). A lot of BDSM lovers, too, really hated the books and the film.

      I don’t think it’s that we don’t understand the point about all-consuming sexual relationships being attractive (I had two paragraphs about this in my draft of this post that I cut out because they seemed tangential to my point, but my attraction to my second “major adult” boyfriend was like this. I just wanted to have sex with him and would do almost anything to reach that goal, although it wasn’t BDSM). I think it’s that we disagree that they are essential or somehow foundational to the human experience. (I mean, not to get polemical, but: are nuns somehow not fully human?) So I think we’re actually in the same place about this.

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  6. “No one wants their crush to be “somebody that I used to know.”
    PLUS D’UNE FOIS, j’ai résisté aux expressions françaises: “prendre la poudre d’escampette”, “prendre ses jambes à son coup”. “I stood my ground”. But still for how long ?, is the main question.
    I agree 100% Servetus: “Outrage about a project is still a symptom of love, but not caring about something enough to express yourself about it at all? Nothing could be a stronger sign of the death of a crush than indifference”.

    The greatiest outrage was in 2014, when an ex-fan spoke about “gogo-dancer”:

    I always knew he was a minor slob


    Ten years after, her words are ringing in my head. Today, I could be in a simili state of mind but indifference is not a distant emotion. Since Uncle Vania, when did I last take time for watching, listening some new project ? Except “My Zoe”, never…

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  7. I watched Damage after the news about the Netflix remake, just in case. Filthy rich people, aren’t they? The young girl could afford two houses in London, very impressive. Than I had an easy peasy lemon squeezy minor eye surgery that went difficult difficult lemon very difficult, (I’m now fully recovered). And still curious, albeit I don’t trust Netflix taste at all. All these comments are very interesting, and your blog, Servetus, is still one of my fav

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