~ by Servetus on July 4, 2016.
Posted in Richard Armitage Tags: Brexit, richard armitage
Goodness, RA really is on the roll. And I agree with him.
All those who created this mess in the first place, have now abandoned ship. I wish Farage would also quit the EU Parliament, but I guess the prospect of being unemployed, having to actually earn ones living is too much to ask of him. sigh
Vanguard said this on July 4, 2016 at 6:07 pm | Reply
Talk about tu quoque. i can’t believe he is still allowed to collect that salary.
I was pleased by this. I was a bit concerned after all the deletions yesterday that he’d retreat for a while but the political commentary continues. Go, Armitage!
Servetus said this on July 4, 2016 at 6:09 pm | Reply
Da staunst du… 😉
Elanor said this on July 4, 2016 at 6:15 pm | Reply
yeah, although one doesn’t know whether to be more surprised by Armitage or the immediate politics. Who will resign next? Prince Charles?
Servetus said this on July 4, 2016 at 6:19 pm | Reply
Hm that is one question which emerged why in times of badly needed cohesion She is silent… hm. And he’s still on the roll back at it every lunch break it seems. The dephts of his passion are riveting and entrancing
Hariclea said this on July 4, 2016 at 6:25 pm | Reply
I feel so strangely allied with him all of a sudden. I’m a news junkie, too, and I always, always, always have an opinion. I mean, we always knew he was interested in political news, but this glimpse is so wonderful.
Servetus said this on July 4, 2016 at 6:29 pm | Reply
She/The Queen is not allowed to say anything because it is considered to be interfering in politics. She’s not even allowed to answer back if she is accused of anything. Charles occasionally says something mildly political and he gets screamed at. Whole indignant articles are written about it in newspapers. It’s all part of our constitutional monarchy. However, the Queen was in Scotland a few days ago and circled around the subject saying people should be “calm and collected” and that this would allow for a “deeper consideration of how challenges and opportunities can be best addressed.” That’s about as much as she’s allowed to say.
jaydee09 said this on July 4, 2016 at 6:40 pm | Reply
Oh had missed what she said in Scotland thought she might have focused on Somme commemoration and the 90th bday. Makes sense not much else she can say without getting into trouble. I do wonder what she thinks of the mess having lived through a few rough times in 90 years….
Hariclea said this on July 5, 2016 at 12:30 am | Reply
Von was sollte der jetzt genau zurücktreten??? 🙂
Elanor said this on July 4, 2016 at 6:30 pm | Reply
Well, something. Just to get in the mood. Organic farming maybe. Buying his daughter in law’s wardrobe?
Servetus said this on July 4, 2016 at 6:32 pm | Reply
Elanor said this on July 4, 2016 at 6:33 pm | Reply
And he’s especially angry today!
csprof said this on July 4, 2016 at 6:19 pm | Reply
And who can blame him?
Months ago a lot of people were speculating that at some point Trump would get sick of the whole rigmarole of the campaign and just say, haha, changed my mind. It’s weird. I don’t want Trump to be running for President but if he bails now I will be ridiculously furious.
Servetus said this on July 4, 2016 at 6:24 pm | Reply
Einerseits könnte man wirklich froh sein, denn der Welt bliebe viel erspart und andererseits wäre der Ärger über so viel Unverfrorenheit und Verantwortungslosigkeit gewaltig. Zuerst ein riesiges Chaos anrichten, die Stimmung vergiften und das Land in Unfrieden stürzen und dann jede Verantwortung ablehnen. Man schaut fassungslos zu…
Elanor said this on July 4, 2016 at 6:40 pm | Reply
Little Red said this on July 4, 2016 at 6:54 pm | Reply
Unbelievable! I’m still speechless/in latent inner turmoil (and more and more angry!!) about that whole mess/progression! (Actually discussing a lot with collegues and (English) friends.) How on earth is it possible that so many so-called politicians who caused this whole disaster (uups… miscalculated!!) are able to resign, and get away from their responsibility so easily??? Why isn’t there even more uproar?? This is extremely disgusting and awful. Most of all I’m really shocked by the total lack of all moral standards (not that it is much better here, but the sheer amount of scandalous resignations/runs is simply outrageous).
I can feel and understand RA’s utter fury and passion. Reading his flow of tweets is helping me somehow to manage my own incomprehension a little bit better!! Thank you so much!!
PS: You’re right Serv! “Looking” at him these days is energising.
linda60 said this on July 4, 2016 at 7:30 pm | Reply
yes, he’s definitely modeling engagement there.
Servetus said this on July 4, 2016 at 8:38 pm | Reply
Way to go, Richard!
Uh, that Farage fellow is just despicable. And Johnson’s not much better. They instigate that Britain should leave the EU. Campaign for a Brexit. The majority votes ‘exit’. Then they both call it quits. What a farce.
Mermaid said this on July 4, 2016 at 7:53 pm | Reply
Another reminder that I should sympathize with all the Leave voters who thought they had actual leadership in place.
Servetus said this on July 4, 2016 at 8:36 pm | Reply
I would say they merit a whole lot of sympathy. They’ve been lured IMHO.
And then Farage has the audacity to congratulate himself. Disgraceful and ridiculous.
Mermaid said this on July 4, 2016 at 9:24 pm | Reply
They deserve some sympathy. But they also put themselves in this situation, some because they were informed, others because they did not investigate lies. If you want to live in a democracy you must inform yourself or pay the price.
Servetus said this on July 4, 2016 at 9:28 pm | Reply
Unfortunately, we are all susceptible to being lured by authority if the argumentation ‘sounds’ plausible. This is why we must be very careful who we vote for.
However, I do agree with your argument that we have the obligation to inform ourselves. And some brexiteers weren’t lured, I know.
Mermaid said this on July 4, 2016 at 9:48 pm | Reply
I dunno. It’s not something I have a ton of sympathy about because real information is still out there for people who care to look. No question that the questions are tough and the answers aren’t easy — but if you’re voting, you have an obligation to be suspicious of claims and authority. This is IMO the entire lesson of the first half of twentieth c. European history.
Servetus said this on July 4, 2016 at 9:55 pm | Reply
Ditto democracy comes with great responsibilities
Hariclea said this on July 5, 2016 at 12:34 am | Reply
I don’t know who is going around saying that the Brexiters were ill-informed and believed everything they were told. (The Remainers?) The ones I know thought about things long and hard. Lies were told by both sides.
jaydee09 said this on July 5, 2016 at 8:10 pm | Reply
To my mind, anyone who believed that the NHS was going to get 350 GBP per month out of money saved from the EU disbursements with no cost suffering elsewhere was ill-informed. Yes, that was a campaign promise and apparently a lie. But anyone who’d bothered to look to see what EU money was coming into the UK per month against those outgoings should have seen that there were going to be losses in other areas if the 350M “promise was kept.” I feel the same way about that that I feel about all the people who have fallen in with Bernie Sanders’ idea that we’ll pay for free post-secondary education for everyone in the US without creating additional debt. He says he has a plan, but anyone who reads the plan (as opposed to simply listening to the slogans) will realize quickly that it is unrealistic under present economic and political circumstances.
By far not all Leave voters were ill informed but some certainly were. Nonetheless, that is the responsibility of living in a democracy — informing oneself about the potential consequences of one’s decisions. It wasn’t hard to do. I read four English newspapers pretty regularly and a few more intermittently (not the Mail or the Sun) and there were all kinds of arguments and information. They certainly didn’t agree and it required thought to consider which argument might be more persuasive Plus the London School of Economics blogging about pieces of this all the way through the referendum. Maybe you can say people didn’t want the advice of experts (as Michael Gove suggested), but the information was certainly there for the taking.
Servetus said this on July 5, 2016 at 9:56 pm | Reply
Perhaps Mr. O’Neill’s circles are not engaged in hate crimes. But I’ve read UK police statistics that show a rise in these. Perhaps it’s only a rise in reporting. Again it’s not everyone. But just because it’s not everyone doesn’t mean it isn’t happening.
Servetus said this on July 5, 2016 at 9:58 pm | Reply
Agree with you, Servetus. Also, I think maybe Mr O’Neill hasn’t read the comments quite a number of leave voters posted so far on social media or in comments of respective newspaper articles. I think in general political discourse/debate/manners suffered a lot in recent years. And neither side fares well.
Vanguard said this on July 5, 2016 at 11:24 pm | Reply
Jaydee, here is someone who agrees with you (from the extreme Left), or what I understand your argument to be: https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/07/brexit-referendum-remain-leave-corbyn-racism-xenophobia-greece-austerity-eu/
Servetus said this on July 6, 2016 at 2:14 am | Reply
I’m actually less angry with Michael Gove because he seems ready to have a go at making this mess work.
LostinaGoodbook said this on July 4, 2016 at 8:33 pm | Reply
he may be back in it — the Guardian live updates called Leadsom a “car wreck” in the hustings.
Servetus said this on July 4, 2016 at 8:35 pm | Reply
Re M. Gove – Not sure I want someone as PM who claims on national tv that we don’t need experts or had enough of them. To sort this one way or the other we will need seriously good experts. Also not convinced he did a good job as Education Secretary (if memory serves he got votes of no confidence from teachers associations), and his close links to Rupert Murdoch are also not ideal in a PM in my opinion.
Vanguard said this on July 4, 2016 at 11:53 pm | Reply
I’m interested in his hashtag.
If Farage is replaced by someone a little more reasonable and mainstream then Labour will really suffer because UKIP will gain respectability and also retain the voters who are concerned about immigration but are not outright racists or xenophobes.
I must look into whether UKIP is anti austerity, or whether their platform is just immigration.
MimReckoner said this on July 5, 2016 at 12:02 am | Reply
He’s the first person to use it in several months.
Carswell emoji smirking at the news is probably a sign that UKIP considers this good news, i.e., bad news for everyone else.
Servetus said this on July 5, 2016 at 12:09 am | Reply
I know. It’s looking bleak for anti-austerity interests. Most ascendant party is UKIP! All parties experiencing leadership crises – (a) Labour is sliding into irrelevance (b) Tories are figuring which back to stick the knife ; (c) UKIP are running towards a Farage-less future! Of all the parties, they are the clear winners. There also no pressure on the party to offer a solution out of this mess.
MimReckoner said this on July 5, 2016 at 12:24 am | Reply
Utter shambles He’s despicable but in a way i am glad he’ll be out of it and hopefully won’t inflict even more damage. He and his party have done quite enough already… maybe the Lib Dems will wake up from their own ashes… and maybe Labour will actually find a viable leader? Slim chances…. i wouldn’t be able to choose between the Tory candidates… some very fundamental things disturb me about the front runners 😦
Hariclea said this on July 5, 2016 at 12:39 am | Reply
May this weekend on rights of EU citizens currently in the UK to stay — really troubling.
Servetus said this on July 5, 2016 at 12:45 am | Reply
Very troubling … smells like threat and intimidation of the worst kind. And she seems to want to use EU citizens here as a bartering chip in the negotiations … speaks of a very cold approach and just nailed the mistrust i had about here regarding her long history of rejection of the ECHR. In her tenure as Home Secretary she also has a history of very troublesome deportations of students and spouses 😦
Hariclea said this on July 5, 2016 at 12:50 am | Reply
So May who wanted to remain is not willing to guarantee EU citizens the right to stay. And Leadsom who campaigned to leave has conceded not to using these folks as bargaining chips. Which way is up again?
Wonder whether Richard will rethink his stance on May?
mimreckoner said this on July 5, 2016 at 2:08 am | Reply
I suspect the reasons that he picked her (strong, hardworking, experienced, not an attention seeker) probably haven’t changed. Will be interesting …
Servetus said this on July 5, 2016 at 2:16 am | Reply
Hopefully we will find out tomorrow!
mimreckoner said this on July 5, 2016 at 3:38 am | Reply
I didn’t read much about brexit but seeing Richard get frustrated about things going on in his own country, made me sad. Commenting (and deleting) about affairs somewhere else is one thing, and this, I feel, is different.
Findirien said this on July 5, 2016 at 11:26 pm | Reply
he seems truly upset.
Servetus said this on July 6, 2016 at 12:03 am | Reply
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