Mr. Armitage, my mind is my own, and I’m the person who decides when and if I stop thinking or writing about something.
~ by Servetus on July 16, 2016.
Posted in Richard Armitage Tags: richard armitage, Twitter
Right? Love him but that’s verging on delusional. LOL
jholland said this on July 16, 2016 at 7:00 pm | Reply
It’s almost like he’s treating it as a physical conversation…deleting the tweet is like walking out of the room…conversation is over for him (but it doesn’t follow that it is for everyone else.)
obscura said this on July 16, 2016 at 7:07 pm | Reply
That’s an interesting thought. Only in this case, he stops everybody else from keeping up the conversation (at least in the same room). If we stick with the idea, it’s like he’s not just leaving the room but throwing everybody else out, too. That doesn’t mean that people won’t discuss the same topic elsewhere then.
taurus said this on July 16, 2016 at 7:14 pm | Reply
Yeah…you’re right, in a practical sense, it’s further reaching than just exiting oneself.
obscura said this on July 16, 2016 at 7:18 pm | Reply
Which is one of my LEAST fave interpersonal (cough marital cough) behaviors ever…. although in a healthy RL relationship, if one calls time out, that doesn’t mean it can never be revisited later. (Usually🙂
SHeRA said this on July 16, 2016 at 8:54 pm | Reply
I was just saying that to someone.
Servetus said this on July 16, 2016 at 8:55 pm | Reply
Great minds ☺
SHeRA said this on July 16, 2016 at 8:56 pm | Reply
I’m realizing now that my issue with the wine tweet right after that is that it also replicates a frequent male behavior. “No more talking. Now I will propitiate you with something.” I’m not three, dude. A piece of chocolate isn’t going to be effective.
Servetus said this on July 16, 2016 at 9:05 pm | Reply
I might let myself appear distracted, but I would not forget an issue like that😉
SHeRA said this on July 17, 2016 at 12:28 am | Reply
This was pretty puzzling.
Servetus said this on July 16, 2016 at 7:10 pm | Reply
What’s puzzling is that he’s acknowledging he wants to shut down discussion – not a very popular view with me – and anyway, he has to know it is impossible. What he’s done is given the protect and defenders much stronger ammunition to engage in conflict over the subsequent discussions and analyses on deleted, but preserved, tweets. Very unsettling – especially the use of the word analysis.
Perry said this on July 16, 2016 at 7:19 pm | Reply
yeah, wondering if analysis is codespeak myself.
Servetus said this on July 16, 2016 at 7:37 pm | Reply
Code speak for over-analyzing.
Perry said this on July 16, 2016 at 8:00 pm | Reply
Servetus said this on July 16, 2016 at 8:02 pm | Reply
Makes you want to look him in the eyes and say “Grow up, mate!”
😕 Wonder about his communication skills….
Vanguard said this on July 17, 2016 at 2:29 am | Reply
Yes, I’m trying to find it simply puzzling rather than disturbing…since I thought the whole purpose of Twitter is information and discussion.
SHeRA said this on July 16, 2016 at 8:58 pm | Reply
it’s also what fans do — analyze things. Fandom is one long exercise in pattern recognition.
It seems out fandom has different definitions of the term, discussion.
Perry said this on July 16, 2016 at 9:49 pm | Reply
He he he ! so manly! 😄 I love him!
Joanna said this on July 16, 2016 at 7:10 pm | Reply
It really came across as so authoritarian to me! I don’t do well with authority. He is such a Dad sometimes. My first reaction was ‘wow, really? I don’t think so! Get back in here so I can harp on some more at you!’ It kind of made me laugh actually. I just love the poor guy.
sparkhouse1 said this on July 16, 2016 at 7:18 pm | Reply
Changing the subject is fine with me, but someone saying ‘this conversation is over’ is rude and just makes me want to argue for arguments sake – it is counterproductive when applied to me personally. I think I understand why he is doing it, but it rankles me nonetheless. To me it’s nonsensical to delete the tweets, he’s not responsible for others bigotry, etc. If anything, perhaps some, even one maybe, will learn something and change their behaviour through exposure to others ideas and thoughts.
sparkhouse1 said this on July 16, 2016 at 7:22 pm | Reply
that’s my main reaction, too — tell me to shut up if you’d like to hear more about whatever you don’t like. I owe this unfortunate character to flaw to my upbringing and I’ve never been especially successful in squelching it
Servetus said this on July 16, 2016 at 7:27 pm | Reply
😀 He slammed the door and left! . At least all chairs and windows are safe😉
Joanna said this on July 16, 2016 at 7:35 pm | Reply
or threw the chair through a window🙂
Servetus said this on July 16, 2016 at 7:40 pm | Reply
Joanna said this on July 16, 2016 at 7:53 pm | Reply
A) That’s unrealistic. (see Servetus’ comment under the tweet)
B) It’s not very nice / polite in my honest opinion. (Don’t kill me in a fit of APM, please.) This may get rid of unpleasant replies, but also of comments that people may have invested thought and care in and kill off tweets and responses to them that might actually be interesting and thought-provoking to people who don’t spend 24/7 keeping an eye on his Twitter account.
And yes, I know it’s his account and he can do with it whatever he likes. I completely agree with that. That doesn’t mean that I have to think that deleting tweets is the best way of dealing with conflicts / problems / partly unpleasant discussions.
taurus said this on July 16, 2016 at 7:11 pm | Reply
I don’t know how to react because (a) he can do whatever he wants, it’s his account (b) it’s a pretty ambiguous tweet. I’m guessing that it will be interpreted by hoi polloi as a statement that he thinks “some people” analyze too much, and when that happens, I’m usually candidate number one (c) I don’t care what he thinks of me, he can think what he likes (d) I have to live in this fandom he seems to like to preach to and I frankly don’t see what skin it is off his nose if I want to analyze anything about him.
And I think you’re right — insofar as it sounds anti-intellectual discourages potentially interesting conversations.
The tweet deleting is dickish. It was especially dickish today.
Servetus said this on July 16, 2016 at 7:15 pm | Reply
There’s been a pretty hefty BTS discussion since he’s been on Twitter about whether he mainly wants fans who blow sunshine up his ass all the time. So this tweet is going to be debated heavily on that front as well.
Servetus said this on July 16, 2016 at 7:19 pm | Reply
And that’s why he likely will delete today’s tweet about deleting the tweets. Lol
Julia said this on July 16, 2016 at 7:29 pm | Reply
Ha my thought exactly ☺
SHeRA said this on July 16, 2016 at 9:01 pm | Reply
It’s unclear to me, tbh. By deleting tweets he ended conversation between him and fans/ between fans? And therefore analysis is ended for him or he thinks it is ended for us ?
Julia said this on July 16, 2016 at 7:20 pm | Reply
yeah — I’m still analyzing things he said in 2003, lol.
But it’s not clear that he can even end discussion on Twitter (let alone elsewhere). Although, given the dynamic of the last month or so, anyone who tries to continue analyzing there may be subjected to pile on.
Servetus said this on July 16, 2016 at 7:23 pm | Reply
OK — this is a mean joke, but: so when do you think he’s gonna delete this one?
Servetus said this on July 16, 2016 at 7:28 pm | Reply
I was thinking about that, and trying to wrap my head around the meaning of the deleted tweet regarding deleting tweets. I might just have some of that wine.
sparkhouse1 said this on July 16, 2016 at 7:41 pm | Reply
and you don’t even like wine.
Servetus said this on July 16, 2016 at 7:44 pm | Reply
sparkhouse1 said this on July 16, 2016 at 8:00 pm | Reply
Is it still there now??😄
SHeRA said this on July 16, 2016 at 9:02 pm | Reply
as of now, yes.
Servetus said this on July 16, 2016 at 9:06 pm | Reply
This is just my interpretation, but maybe that’s his way of saying he is about to lose his temper and would rather we all move on before he does.
LadyGrayse said this on July 16, 2016 at 7:41 pm | Reply
I think he lost his temper. I just don’t see why that has to have any impact on me.
True, to both. Maybe he just wants us to move on.
LadyGrayse said this on July 16, 2016 at 8:00 pm | Reply
Which is fine. Not that all of us will.
Servetus said this on July 16, 2016 at 8:01 pm | Reply
Hi! Sorry if this comment sends twice– my internet has been acting up. Can anyone point me to a preservation of the tweet(s) he deleted? I’ve looked through the tumblr tag and your posts and can’t seem to piece if together via the context clues. Thank you so much! And I love what you do here. I think you’re doing a great job!🙂
alikertz said this on July 16, 2016 at 8:00 pm | Reply
Thanks for the comment and welcome. They are preserved here as texts: https://www.reddit.com/r/RichLee/comments/4syr85/new_tweet/. They were responses to @KleverNut
Servetus said this on July 16, 2016 at 8:03 pm | Reply
He should lost his temper for the chaos his supposed “fans” do.
I waited for his answer today (I don’t know why,doesn’t seems something he would do, I know) but when it comes was one of the most disappointing thing that I’ve read in his twitter account.
Sorry for my English,😏
Vale said this on July 16, 2016 at 8:13 pm | Reply
Well, if this explosion is about @KleverNut, she isn’t a supposed fan, she’s a real fan. I don’t usually agree with what she says but there’s no question in my mind that she is a fan.
re: disappointing — I agree if it’s because this is an unfortunate thing for him to say.
Servetus said this on July 16, 2016 at 8:17 pm | Reply
Yes, that was the meaning.
For “supposed” fan I mean the fanatical ones, (because for me it’s what a lot of them are) not @KleverNut.
Vale said this on July 16, 2016 at 8:35 pm | Reply
well, I’d say they are also actual fans. (I almost never agree with them either.)
But in essence — I think that if he can’t focus on rewarding behavior he approves of, he should probably try to ignore his fans. Part of the problem here seems to be that he thinks that there is a one to one relationship between what he says and what people understand and then how they behave. His interventions seem to be making the fandom progressively more uncomfortable for anyone who isn’t 100 percent in agreement with him.
Servetus said this on July 16, 2016 at 8:39 pm | Reply
I had to shake my head at that tweet. Why does he continuously step into the justification trap? No matter what he explains, someone will be critical. Shutting off conversations between fans does not achieve anything – and since he does not really engage in two-way conversation, that tweet really comes across as a muzzle for inter-fan conversation…
Guylty said this on July 16, 2016 at 8:46 pm | Reply
He definitely needs to take a social media class. I was joking with someone that I bet he could get cast really easily in the film “How Celebrities Should Not Tweet With Fans”.
It’s like he thinks the fandom is solely about him.
Servetus said this on July 16, 2016 at 8:50 pm | Reply
The thing is – he throws us keywords and instigates debate. A good thing imo. But since he does not participate in that, why is he bothered by further discussion? Afraid of what he has started? Truly worried about bullied fans? Any attempt to muzzle me, however, has exactly the opposite effect – and especially in this case where I consider RA the raison d’etre of the fandom but not the centre of it. The centre is ourselves, not him.
Guylty said this on July 16, 2016 at 8:59 pm | Reply
To my mind, he has shown no interested in bullied fans — which is a different thing from bullying as a general problem, which he has shown episodic evidence of caring about.
fully in agreement about the fandom. It’s our club. His life is his province, but he’s not a fan of Richard Armitage. He is an interested party, not a member.
Servetus said this on July 16, 2016 at 9:10 pm | Reply
Yes to both. Important differences between bullying vctims and bullying, and fandom interest and fandom membership.
Guylty said this on July 16, 2016 at 9:14 pm | Reply
I was just thinking about how this relates to power to speak issues. It’s hopeless to wish the fandom would not give him so much power and of course he isn’t responsible for how fans react to him. Fact is, he is the most powerful speaker in any conversation with or about him. I haven’t had the energy to go look and see if Kellie is being harassed again. But his silence on the fact that fans defend him in vicious ways makes that seem okay to them. The question is whether he could say anything that would stop that behavior.
Servetus said this on July 16, 2016 at 9:26 pm | Reply
I’m having trouble interpreting it any other way, and while I do try to be kind, I don’t do Stepford well.
SHeRA said this on July 16, 2016 at 9:05 pm | Reply
Most adult women these days don’t.
Servetus said this on July 16, 2016 at 9:22 pm | Reply
I do wonder if the wine tweet and this tweet might be connected in any way? 😉 hic
suse3 said this on July 16, 2016 at 8:54 pm | Reply
drunk tweeting in the afternoon?
It’s a Saturday after all 😉
Suse said this on July 16, 2016 at 9:25 pm | Reply
It’s Saturday after all 😉
suse3 said this on July 16, 2016 at 9:26 pm | Reply
Dieser Tweet klingt, als hätte “Daddy” es satt, dem ständigen Gezanke der Kinder zuhören zu müssen und jetzt einfach mal ein Machtwort gesprochen, um Ruhe zu haben. So sehr ich das aus eigener Erfahrung nachvollziehen und verstehen kann, so muss ich allerdings auch sagen, dass diese Reaktion noch nie den gewünschten Effekt hatte. Außerdem scheint sie mir unter Erwachsenen kaum angemessen.
Elanor said this on July 16, 2016 at 8:57 pm | Reply
yeah — considering that many of this fans are as old as or older than he is, the pronouncement is very off key.
Servetus said this on July 16, 2016 at 9:11 pm | Reply
Ich bin ziemlich sicher, dass diese Aussage die nächsten Tage nicht überlebt. Wenn der Wein nicht mehr wirkt und er mit etwas Abstand darüber nachdenkt, wird er sie wahrscheinlich löschen… Das hat schon seine eigene Komik😉
Elanor said this on July 16, 2016 at 9:15 pm | Reply
I may get to the point of finding it funny some day🙂
Servetus said this on July 16, 2016 at 9:27 pm | Reply
Möge der Tag nicht allzu fern sein🙂
Ich fürchte, dass diese Seite von ihm noch öfter zum Vorschein kommen wird, auch wenn wir sie nicht mögen. Da hilft nur Humor und etwas innerer Abstand. Der Mensch RA hat Seiten, die ich sehr mag und Seiten die ich weniger mag und die meisten seiner Seiten kenne ich gar nicht.
Übrigens stimme ich Guylty und dir zu, die Gespräche, die wir hier untereinander führen, sind allein unsere Sache. Wir können schon selbst entscheiden, über was wir uns wie lange und wie ausführlich unterhalten wollen. Wir sind schon groß🙂
Elanor said this on July 16, 2016 at 9:45 pm | Reply
yeah. I admit I wondered when he started tweeting whether there was going to be a continued point in blogging, but I have started to see it more than ever. I don’t want to have every discussion about Richard Armitage either in his “presence” or in private. there are some I’d like to have in public places with friends.
I’ve never been especially concerned with what Armitage thinks of me, on the assumption that from his perpsective all of fandom is a little crazy, so that helps a little.
Servetus said this on July 16, 2016 at 9:53 pm | Reply
“Ist der Ruf erst ruiniert, lebt sich’s völlig ungeniert.”
Ich weiß auch nicht, warum mir gerade jetzt dieses Sprichwort eingefallen ist.😉
Elanor said this on July 16, 2016 at 10:01 pm | Reply
I did not know that proverb but I’m glad I learned it🙂
Servetus said this on July 16, 2016 at 10:02 pm | Reply
You are welcome.
Elanor said this on July 16, 2016 at 10:05 pm | Reply
Da stimme ich Dir völlig zu. Wenn er schon twittert, dann muss er auch mit den “Konsequenzen” leben, das gehört dazu🙂 Und löschen hilft nix, das wird er auch noch lernen…..
suzy said this on July 17, 2016 at 10:37 am | Reply
Seine Lernkurve ist diesbezüglich aber eher flach😉
Elanor said this on July 17, 2016 at 2:44 pm | Reply
that’s what’s puzzling about this. At the beginning, okay, he wasn’t accustomed to social media. But in a month it will be two years.
Servetus said this on July 17, 2016 at 3:06 pm | Reply
So here it is.
@RCArmitage We're duscussing too much about something we shouldn't. We should pray for a victims and their families. It's time to quiet💔
— JoanMarie (@joanmarie_29) July 16, 2016
@RCArmitage We're duscussing too much about something we shouldn't. We should pray for a victims and their families. It's time to quiet💔
— JoanMarie (@joanmarie_29) July 16, 2016
Servetus said this on July 16, 2016 at 9:42 pm | Reply
Grrr..suddenly ” throwing chair through the window” looks tempting , Serv.
Joanna said this on July 16, 2016 at 11:50 pm | Reply
Servetus said this on July 16, 2016 at 11:51 pm | Reply
I’m having a really hard time getting my thoughts together in order to make a comment, b/c this response from him has steam coming out of my ears! there are many simple and diplomatic ways to say you no longer want to continue a conversation without deleting the discussion altogether. shutting it down in this way is akin to running away with your hands over your ears; I expected a more mature response from him. if you can’t stand the heat…
KellyDS said this on July 17, 2016 at 12:35 am | Reply
And now he’s deleted this tweet about deleting. Honestly.
It’s troubling to see someone who picked Twitter as his social media platform talk about discussion in this way.
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@RCArmitage Tries to Shut it Down and Blame Will Follow. | Armitage Agonistes said this on July 17, 2016 at 12:57 am | Reply
I don’t follow Twitter but from the tweets I’ve read from him, my overall impression is that he is on Twitter primarily for self promotion purposes rather than to interact directly with fans. On the face of it, I find his comment on his deletion “policy” high handed and somewhat delusional (although I don’t know what kind of responses he has been subject to on Twitter). He certainly appears to lack the light touch (unlike Mr Pace IMO!).
ZigZag said this on July 17, 2016 at 1:01 am | Reply
My impression is that with the exception of Brexit, 90-95 percent of the comments he gets are positive. TWitter is on some level a sewer, though, you can never predict what you will find there.
Servetus said this on July 17, 2016 at 2:40 am | Reply
Could be worse – at least he’s still keen to engage. Tom Hiddleston was super active and chatty on twitter until a segment of his fans got way too demanding and nutty so he backed right off and now hardly ever posts unless it’s to promote something.
Dan Voss said this on July 17, 2016 at 6:04 am | Reply
I don’t know what happened with Hiddleston, but in Armitage’s case the collateral damage in the fandom from his engagement is starting to become a problem. I personally didn’t need him to Tweet and wouldn’t be saddened if he quit or limited himself to promotion, but I am aware that that places me in a minority. Some people deal really well with fans on Twitter — Graham McTavish and Jed Brophy are two examples — but I think their followings are much smaller that Hiddleston’s. Brophy had a real problem with a fan a month or so ago but he dealt with it in a way that really impressed me.
Servetus said this on July 17, 2016 at 6:08 am | Reply
I’m not following him so don’t know about what you describe regarding Brophy. Would it be okay for you to describe what he did?
I think we can all agree that RA doesn’t do so well in this regard.
taurus said this on July 17, 2016 at 8:13 am | Reply
I’m not a Brophy superfan so i don’t know if I know the whole story — I only glance at his FB and Twitter pages from time to time. Essentially, there was a fan who had very high expectations of him. His sort of main fan is a young man from the Netherlands named Roy Roovers, who appears to be mentally delayed in some way or at least not neurotypical. Jed always takes really special care with him, but because of that, both Jed and (especially) Roy periodically get attacked by fans who can’t accept that special relationship. The last time was a woman who continued demanding special tweets, a picture, etc., and she was vocal when she didn’t get what she wanted. Then another account appeared (which may or may not have been a sockpuppet, I felt undecided about that in the end) that started harassing him because he wasn’t giving her what she wanted. Brophy wished her happy birthday, blocked her, blocked the second account and then warned people not to threaten his family. And then it was over.
Servetus said this on July 17, 2016 at 2:33 pm | Reply
Thank you for describing this. I agree, that was a good way of handling this situation.
taurus said this on July 17, 2016 at 3:21 pm | Reply
I think there must be a special kind of hell for people who can’t deal with kindness for another, especially someone with mental disabilities. Outside that young man’s family, Jed is probably the joy in his life. How selfish must she have been ?
Jane Steinmiller said this on July 18, 2016 at 3:42 am | Reply
One should not diagnose on screen; I had the impression she might have been mentally ill herself, however. I hesitate to say that because I don’t like to contribute to the impression that “fans are crazy,” although a lot of people use fandom as a tool for dealing with things like depression, etc. She talked to him a lot like he was an errant boyfriend or a neglectful father figure; then again, I also think she wasn’t a native speaker of English. It’s so hard to know what is really going on in 140 char — we usually need a lot more context.
I think Brophy is really important to Roy and I’m really impressed by Brophy’s treatment of him. It would be neat if every person could have a hero like that. Brophy is also really good at drawing lines with Roy at times, too.
Servetus said this on July 18, 2016 at 3:48 am | Reply
Very true. Never know what’s going on in the life of a tweeter.
Jane Steinmiller said this on July 18, 2016 at 3:11 pm | Reply
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